becomes difficult to find a car over 15 yrs old that is still safe to drive
due to massive corrosion of the metal structures, if the auto makers would
build body and frame structures that would survive longer it is a great idea
>
>Now, if you were to put the 2004 computer controlled induction and
>ignition system and catalytic converter on the old car (this may require
>you to change the engine). Also, if you are able to use the old engine,
>then consider freshening it up a bit. Then you should have new car
>emissions without the heavy price to the environment of building a new
>car. I have often thought about why someone doesn't offer a kit to
upgrade
>the emissions of cars (obviously, it is not in the best interest of the
>car companies, they are too busy convincing everyone that their new cars
>will save the world), and in fact some states even have laws against it.
I
>guess that it would make too much sense to recycle what we have instead
of
>always building new.
>
>Anyway, that is my 2 cents, I hope that I didn't make anyone too mad
with
>this.
>
>-Al
>
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Donald Allwright wrote:
> > There is a point that's worth repeating here regarding older
vehicles:
> >
> > Most cars use more energy in the manufacture than they do in fuel
> > consumption over their entire lives - so as a rule the best way to
> > reduce the energy balance of vehicles is to make them last as long
as
> > you can. If your concern is just the energy use, then try and keep
the
> > older vehicles working as long as possible. They are not quite as
> > efficient, but the excess energy use is far less than that used to
> > manufacture a new car you might replace it with. Also, keeping an
older
> > vehicle on the road is a great way of providing local employment -
much
> > better than just buying a new vehicle and using loads of primary
> > resources.
> >
> > OK, the same may not be true for some of the exhaust pipe
pollutants,
> > as older cars are often a lot more polluting (due to lack of
catalytic
> > converters, a less optimised combustion process etc). So while in
rural
> > areas these pollutants may not be seen to be a major problem, in
urban
> > areas they certainly will be.
> >
> > Donald
> >
> >
> > --- Erik Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- tommy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here is a good reading piece if your wondering about
> > > > why it's pretty much a waste to try to get those
> > > > "Cheap" running junkers working and focus on
new
> > > > tech
> > > > engines.
> > >
> > > Thank you for posting that link. I enjoyed reading it.
> > > But I disagree with your conclusions. As nice as a new
> > > diesel is I am still going to keep my 23 year old audi
> > > diesel. Once you consider that I only have about $500
> > > into it not counting fuel or oil changes and that it
> > > gets 50 mpg I don't see how the new ones are any
> > > better. But of course they're much fancier, with all
> > > the electronics and latest options. The new ones will
> > > also blow mine off the road for speed and power. But
> > > those don't concern me. I know that for a lot of
> > > people they are very important, and those are the ones
> > > that I would try to talk into getting a newer one.
> > >
> > > The old ones also use very simple technology, which
> > > for me means that I can fix it all myself without
> > > taking it in. Not including the injection pump, of
> > > course. (Though I do have the computer scanners to be
> > > able to do everything on the newer ones as well, but
> > > that's cause it's what I do. Just saying that most
> > > people can work on the older ones and the newer ones
> > > become harder and more complicated.)
> > >
> > > I'm all for diesels. I love them. And the new ones
> > > have a lot of nice advantages. I really wish that with
> > > 20+ years of technology advancements it would have
> > > that much better fuel mileage than mine, but they just
> > > don't. I just don't see all that as a reason to
> > > abandon the old ones. If I can at all I will drive
> > > these old tech ones for many years more. The only
> > > thing I see stopping me is them getting wrecked.
> > >
> > > Just my opinion, of course.
> > >
> > > Erik
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This tech is what the "Big fuel" petro
industrial
> > > > fuel
> > > > suppliers will get the gov to back instead of
> > > > bio-fuel, keeping themselves in the loop
> > > >
> > > > http://www.boschusa.com/dieselvoice.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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