What obfuscation? I resent that. Obfuscation indeed.
Not what I
would call clarity, but I get the impression that this piece of writing is
not being rated too highly. That's what I suspected Keith was saying, it
just wasn't terribly clear. Nor was your response for that matter.
I haven't been following the list too closely, but for some reason the
posting for that book caught my eye. I followed the link, read about 10
pages and found the premise a bit intriguing, but also felt it seemed a bit
apocalyptic. I was just curious to see what Keith and others thought of it.
I still don't know exactly. What's wrong with asking for a little
clarification?
It was clear enough. What wasn't clear?
Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey.
It's news to you that the industrialised countries, and particularly
the US, behave like heroin addicts when it comes to fossil fuels? So
many people here and elsewhere have said that. Stand between them and
their oil and they'll kill you. It's Lesson 1 in biofuels and
renewables that trying to substitute alternatives for the West's
current energy use and future growth is a non-starter. It has to
change. It's not sustainable in any way, and it's grossly
inequitable, at the foundation of much or most of the injustice in
today's world. It's anti-life. But that's what this guy wants.
Have a look at what he says about biodiesel. "Alternatives to oil:
Fuels of the future or cruel hoaxes?" LOL!
"The Twilight of the Modern World: Four Stages of Breakdown - This
should give you some idea of what to expect as we slide down the
downslope of energy production."
"Civilization as we know it is coming to end soon."
The end of CAWKI, aarghhhh!
"Food, Land, Population and the US Economy - Not enough food and land
for the population is an extremely bad combination for the economy."
Right (yawn). You'll find most of this stuff dispensed with in the
archives.
You don't know Jay Hanson? You're not missing much. Look it up. Take
our heroin away and we'll all die.
Todd's too kind - two out of five? I'd give it zilch. Hubbert's Peak
meets The Day After Tomorrow. So what.
I think there's a difference between asking for a little
clarification and not paying attention and then yelling "obfuscation".
Keith
Cheers,
George
George Page
www.seabreezefarm.net
Vashon Island, WA USA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Appal Energy
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
>
> George,
>
> What part of
>
> "They haven't even really started to think..." or "...not nearly enough of
> the sort of approach you often see from..." do you find difficult to
> understand and "cryptic?"
>
> Surely it's not too terribly difficult to imagine and/orcomprehend what
> the
> process of "read[ing] through a keyhole" would be like - how narrow the
> view/scope/perceptions might be as a result.
>
> If given the choice of rating from zero to five stars, it sounded to me as
> if it was given perhaps a two. That's a far better perspective than just
> dedicating it to the round file or fireplace.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
>
>
> > Could you please elaborate a little Keith? Your message is a little
> > cryptic. I don't know who this guy is, or what exactly he's saying, but
> are
> > you taking it seriously, or not? Is it a useful philosophy or simply
> > fear-mongering?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > George
> >
> > George Page
> > www.seabreezefarm.net
> > Vashon Island, WA USA
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Keith Addison
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:20 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Free book "The Oil Age is Over"
> > >
> > > >http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/downloads.html
> > > >
> > > >Free until US elections
> > >
> > > Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of
> > > Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of
> > > approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about
> > > energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy
> > > supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve
> > > energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming
> > > and energy supply, and what we all know about how "seriously", if
> > > that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take
> > > sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about
> > > it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right
> > > kind of grunting noises.
> > >
> > > I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you
> > > read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Keith
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