Hi,
Kim; the task is not and doesn't have to be as, daunting as it sounds.
A single axle trailer could be used to transport it from the dock to your
home but, using a tandem axle trailer may feel more comfortable on the
road,
if you have drive a long distance or will encounter a lot of traffic. You
would have to hire a forklift, or whatever, to load the unit on your
vehicle
at the dock. Back home you may have to hire help to unload and place the
unit, most front end loaders can handle the task. Commercial freight
charges are base on weight not unit volume so, I'm unsure if you could get
a
break but, I really don't know.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas
: Any one else in Texas looking to buy one? Perhaps we could buy enough
of
: them to get a break on the shipping. I did notice that the delivery is
to
: a local warehouse/delivery dock, so how do you get the darn thing
installed
: at home? 2000 pounds is a little heavy to move around.
:
: Bright Blessings,
: Kim
:
:
: At 12:54 PM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
: >Pocatello Idaho
: >
: >= = = Original message = = =
: >
: >Numbers and mileage may vary with your personal situation.
: >
: >Not the end all...
: >
: >Just an idea of what it "might" cost
: >
: >But thanks for the link to affordable Power
: >
: >I already emailed them about buying one.
: >
: >What city are they in?
: >
: >mel
: >
: >-----Original Message-----
: >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:08 PM
: >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Gennies and off grid in Texas
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >= = = Original message = = =
: >
: >OK let's do some math
: >
: >3/4 gallon per hour
: >
: >Let's say you want to run it 10 hours per day.
: >
: >Assuming you don~t have all the free oil you can get, and you have to
buy.
: >
: >SS> I do, but ok, we will "assume".
: >
: >A gallon of oil is around 2 to 3 per gallon in 5 gallon cans or 55
gallon
: >drums
: >
: >SS> If you are buying, wouldn't you buy farm diesel at $1.50?
: >
: >So you are going to be using about 7 gallons per day or 50 gallons per
week
: >
: >50 x2 is 100 per week or 400 per month
: >
: >Not including maintenance or your time.
: >
: >That is one 55 gallon drum of oil a week.
: >
: >That's a LOT of free oil. Now you got to DRIVE AROUND and GET that oil.
So
: >that costs.
: >
: >SS> Yes, about 4 hours of my time on Saturdays. I guess that could cut
: >SS> into one's golf time, or tv watching ....
: >
: >And I believe 2 dollars per gallon is pretty low and it is really
closer
: >to 3 per gallon
: >
: >SS> If I wasn't getting free veggie, I'd be getting farm diesel 2 miles
: >SS> down the road for $1.50 in drums.
: >
: >Now your fuel costs have gone up to 600 per month. Not including
driving,
: >tire wear, insurance on your vehicle etc.
: >
: >SS> You made some bad assumptions. How has insurance been affected?
: >
: >SO while all things can be minimized you may be able to do it all on
free
oil?
: >
: >But given that most small rest. ONLy use about 5 to 10gallons of oil a
: >week, you are going to have to visit 5 to 10 different rest per month
to
: >collect your fuel.
: >
: >SS> Yes.
: >
: >As well you COULD burn farm diesel and that is what? 1.00 per gallon
right
: >now?
: >
: >SS> $1.50
: >
: >That would be about 200 per month
: >
: >But let's assume you use half and half , you are looking about 300 per
: >month in fuel.
: >
: >SS> Nope, $300 is way off.
: >
: >I used to be a guide at a lodge in the Yucatan where we ran diesel
gennies
: >and had a 60 mile boat ride to bring in fuel. We used bout 50 gallons a
: >week as we only ran the "light" plant in the evening and morning.
: >
: >They later went to a solar array and batteries with the gennie as a
backup
: >for no sun and issues with the inverter.
: >
: >They say it was the BEST money they ever spent
: >
: >Lessee 300 per month x 12 3600 per year
: >
: >Panels are 4 per watt 2000 watts = 8000 lasts about 30 years? 40 years?
: >
: >SS> $8 / watt for a system. You can't just count the panels, you have
to
: >SS> count the charge controller, the inverter, the batteries, and
: >SS> related disconnects and fuses that are not part of a GEN only
: >SS> solution. These components don't last 30+ years.
: >
: >So you will burn enough fuel in 3 years to pay for the panels?
: >
: >SS> Not even close.
: >
: >Ok 200 per month
: >2400 year
: >
: >About 4 years. And the time and the maintenance.
: >
: >SS> again, you are ascribing a lot of incidentals to the gen that don'r
: >SS> belong there, and missing a number that do belong to PV.
: >
: >Solar just works, no issues other than changing the array angle every
few
: >months and hosing them off.
: >
: >SS> It's a bit more than that. Maybe you forgot battery maintenance?
: >
: >I am on what I call the solar panel of the month club.
: >
: >For about the price of a car note, I get a new panel every month been
: >doing it about a year now
: >
: >Have 1300 watts and whenever I have ANY extra cash I buy another panel.
: >
: >Really is the best in the LONG TERM.
: >
: >And batteries, you need batteries. For night time.
: >
: >SS> which need maintenance and replacing every 5-6 years (depends on
: >SS> model)
: >
: >Yes SVO is good and can be cheap, but still will cost money that could
be
: >put into a solar array.
: >
: >SS> We use WVO, PV, Wind, Wood, and propnae. There are appropriate
: >SS> usages of each.
: >
: >mel
: >
: >ASSUMING nothing is free.
: >
: >SS> Assuming that assuming is not a good thing to do.
: >
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