hey John,
Boy would I like to talk with you on the phone. I live in Michigan. Are
you close? I didn't pay any attention to the temp of the water or oil, didn't
know that was as issue. Will try again with that in mind thanks dan
----- Original Message -----
From: John Guttridge
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] quality test
dan,
I had similar troubles, look for a more complete post from me on the
subject later in the day as I finish writing it.
some things that helped me:
it is cold here which slows everything down, I had to settle my last
batch for 7 days (it had separated in 12-24 hours but it was still hazy,
after 7 days it is crystal clear)
the water out of my cold tap is cold enough that my fuel failed the
quality test with cold water but passed with 70 degree water, you should
make sure that your water is at a "reasonable temperature" if you live
in a frozen climate.
I found that my temperature control was insufficient and that I wasn't
getting complete conversion because I wasn't maintaining high enough
temperature, I was surprised to find that oil pre-heated to reaction
temperature and then put in a sort of double-boiler setup with reaction
temperature water in it would drop temperature even if the water was
kept at temperature while I was stirring (I had approximatly equal
volumes of water and oil with a relatively small surface area between
them, I imagine that if your surface area/mass of oil ratio is beter you
have beter results). I found that I needed to put the temperature probe
in the oil to watch the temp and maintain so I had one in the oil and
one in the water so that I could keep and eye on both temperatures and
control things (probably not so much of an issue when you are in a
warmer climate or you keep your shop warm).
Daniel Breen wrote:
> new guy here again,
> So I made my first test batch in a blender from wvo. It separated
> within 3 hours but I gave it overnight anyway. It was darker in color than I
> expected. Anyway, I scooped 150 ml off the top of the container and put into
> a jar with 150 ml of water. I shook violently for 10 sec. and set it aside.
> It looked like milk. I had read that it should completely separate in 30 min.
> to be quality fuel. It has been an hour and the mixture is 100 ml of fuel on
> top and 200 ml of milky water on bottom. Update! now its been 2 hours and I
> have 125 ml of fuel on top and 175 ml of milky water on bottom. So, since
> this didn't separate in 30 min. is this poor fuel I measured out all my
> mixtures very accurately, I believe. Any words of advice.
> Thanks Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Legal Eagle
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:11 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
>
> G'day Brian;
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] god problems (see, got rid of titration)
>
>
>
>
>>I think that we have Keith to thank for this, as well as others who >put
>>effort into keeping this board a reasonably sane place to hang >out.
>
>
> It is most definetly a collective effort, and all parts of that effort makes
>
> this list so stimulating.
>
>
>>I know that I have been drawn in to political discussions that I have
>>allowed to go too far in the past. Thankfully, I was gently guided back
>>to the fold.
>>
>>I truly do appreciate all of the discussions on this board. For biofuel
>>information, the JTF website has all of the information that I need at
>>this stage in my development.
>
>
> Without the JtF site (and this list) I never could have done anything that
> remotely resembles what I have been able to accomplish, so yes, it is a
> treasure house well worth investigating.
>
> I do get a lot from being able to watch the
>
>>success of others, and do look forward to further success in my own quest
>>once I get settled somewhere.
>
>
> Feeding off each others' success and failures as well drives things forward.
>
> Need somethng mobile until you get "settled" ? There are ideas that can be
> "played" with on the processors page at JtF. You got a small trailer you can
>
> pull with a vehicle ? Sounds like a mobile BD lab to me :-)
>
> However, what really keeps me coming back
>
>>is the chance to interact with thinking, logical, rational people on a
>>regular basis. Even when I disagree, which is actually a lot more often
>>than I post disagreement, I do learn something. That's what this is all
>>about, IMHO.
>
>
> A wise person learns from his mistakes, a wiser person still learns from the
>
> mistakes of others. The point is, to learn something, and here you have no
> problem doing that.IMHO too:)
> Luc
>
>
>>Brian
>>
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