Over reacting? OK.
Well, you certainly sound as if you have your plans ironed out for the most part. My question to you is why ethanol? What drove you to select ethanol as the "replacement" fuel source for this application? Are there any alternatives to ethanol that could serve in this capacity? I would like as many details, in the form of test results, as you feel like sharing with this list as I would be quite interested in this area. I personally don't think ethanol is a prudent choice, however, I will admit to being no more a chemist than I am an astronaut. Someone on this list would certainly know, what ethanol exhaust gases contain? Are there specific gases, or chemicals within the exhaust gases, that would preclude it's use as a cooking fuel? Or maybe someone can offer a link? In the meantime, I'm off to google. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque > >Ethanol vapor? Am I the only one looking for a >hole in the ground around > >here? I'm taking the pup's down the hole with me >John, just in case! > > Hi Anti Fossil, > > I think you are over reacting. The plenum on a propane BBQ is a flat plenum > with the holes in the bottom. I think, and this is only THEORY!! that once > the valve is cracked open and the alcohol is lit with a BBQ lighter the > alcohol inside the premium will vaporize in the absence of air and will be > no different that the propane it replaces with the exception that one will > have to wait for the BBQ to warm up before a good burn will occur. Once the > alcohol reaches that stage the valve can be turned to whatever setting is > needed and you will be cooking with a much cleaner and healthier fuel. If I > get it to work in my BBQ then I will go to my oxygen acetylene torches and > change the propane I am using instead of Acetylene with the alcohol plus > something else to increase the BTU"s to make it better for welding and > cutting. > > You ask what are my plans? Well I will have to start at the beginning. > > My first interest is to build a river to power that > river I designed a 15 kw wind turbine. A true turbine consisting of two to > four propellers unlike the single propeller wind generators which are > labeled turbines. This turbine has no need for battery storage as it > generates grid quality electricity, generates > electricity in 5 kw stages and uses power generation as a brake instead of > an actual brake. If more than 15 kw is required to stall the turbine a > breaking system then kicks in.. I picked up an excellent used water heater > for nothing. I have a wood baseboard water heating system in the house > backed up by a separate oil fired hot water furnace. Don't use either one > use an air tight up stairs. I planned to place electric elements in the wood > furnace and use the turbine to heat the house, hot water and sell the > remaining power to NS Power. Thought Private power magazine I learned of Bio > Diesel. and put the turbine on the back burner because I can probably do the > same thing with WVO easier. I started experimenting with formulas and now > have WVO formulas that will function at -20C and have been burning WVO in my > Golf this winter without heating the fuel filter or tank. I have been using > a fifty : fifty mix of WVO and Diesel with Howe Diesel treat. Don't need the > fifty : fifty mix a 1:0.3:.0.005 will remain fluid and clear at -20 c. Haven > 't been brave enough to try that one in the Golf yet. I will wait until I > get all the heating in place first. In 100 ml of WV0 10 ml of methyl hydrate > will emulsify using 30 ml of diesel or furnace oil and remain fluid but > milky at -20C. I bought a 12 v to > 110v, 300 watt inverter that can plug into my cigarette lighter and a 150 > watt magnetic oil pan heater that I can put on my fuel filter but have never > had to install it. I plan to add a piece of sheet metal to my fuel tank so I > can stick a magnet tank heated externally to the tank. I would like to be > able to start up and shut down on b100 but haven't added the extra tank or > three way fuel switch yet. Thought I would touch base > with this list and pick the brains on the list to see if I am headed in the > right direction and run a few ideas past the list members for critic. Don't > want to reinvent the wheel and do not want to ruin an engine. > I picked up a source of WVO but also had to take their potato peelings and > apple peelings as well, and holly smoke they put out a pile of potato peel > and apple peel in a day and to me it seemed like a virtual gold mine of > ethanol and butanol and I sent away to excise Canada for a permit to set up > a still consisting of the used electric hot water heater. I picked up an old > agitator ringer washer for a mixing tub a tremendous stainless steel three > partition separating tank approximately 16 ft long that could not be > designed better if it was > designed by an engineer for the purpose of making a flow through biodiesel > process tank. All kinds of storage barrels and stainless and neoprene > storage tanks. I have a skidder, a stroke delimber , a firewood processor > and a backhoe all running on diesel that I would like to change over to WVO > and Bio diesel. Beside diesel equipment I have two stroke gas equipment > consisting of a post hole drill, four chain saws and a 40 hp Johnson > outboard motor. For Gas a 302 ford F150 4x4. > For the two strokes I plan to burn a mixture of ethanol-butal and replace > the two stroke oil in the mixture with waste vegetable oil. For the 302 it > will be ethanol > butanol and less waste vegetable oil. I haven't started working on these > formulas yet. > I bought all the panty hose that Frenchies had and a cream separator to run > the waste vegetable oil through to > separate the saturated and unsaturated and also hope to replace the wash > process with the centrifuge. Haven't done it yet > Since it is not uncommon to go to -30 C in the dead of winter here I have > been working on anti gel formulas this winter. I am still using waste > vegetable oil and haven't proceded to Bio Diesel . Would like to use ethanol > to make the Bio Diesel. I am having trouble > obtaining an ethanol permit as the government want me to post a $5000.00 > bond. I told them I don't want to make spirt grade alcohol I want to make > fuel grade alcohol. The government will give other people millions of > dollars to do what I > am doing but want me to post a bond and then they will steal the idea. The > ethanol is really to make bio diesel and gas, the BBQ and Cutting torch uses > are secondary. > > So that is my plan and if I can just get permission to go ahead without > having to go to court and fight for permission it will be great. > > Anti I have a five hundred acre wood lot and do use a lot of wood but > ethanol in my opinion would be so much easier and nicer. Besides the EPA is > talking about banning wood burning stoves. Isn't > government great. > > Yours truly > John Wilson > Goldens > *************************************************** > Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) > > Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm > Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm > Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm > http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm > > > In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . > After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
