Mike - I advocate a solutions approach discussed on this listserv. Farming In the San Joaquin Valley California there are counties that contain the largest concentration of dairy farms in the United States. Much research is being done to assist small family dairy farms, medium sized dairy farms, large dairy farms, and corporate diary farms to ameliorate the liquid, solid, and air pollutants the eminate from the dairy farm process into the San Joaquin Valley biosphere. Please see:
http://www.eco-farm.org/sa/sa_dairy_synopsis_digester.html The gentlemen listed in above link is Allen Dusault of Sustainable Conservation. I met Allen during my energy conservation work in San Francisco while conducting plans to introduce cogeneration to the dairy farms in the Central Valley. I discovered that Allen has a keen national perspective of farming conservation, farm waste issues, and how it ties into municipal waste issues in the United States. In my opinion, Allen is quite dedicated and understands the challenges of small vs large vs let's look at solutions. Municipal Waste During my energy conservation career we worked on many projects to promote energy conservation and efficient municipal waste systems - fine bubble diffusion, cogeneration, solar, etc. I visited many old sewer plants and modern waste treatment facilities. From a practical point of view I noticed several things 1) the local general populace needed better education on the crucial role the waste treatment plant plays in their community 2)How the populace impacts the plants and continuing understanding the differences between storm drain and treatment plant systems 4) The tremendous amount or money it takes to build and run a regional municipal system. With all the said there is certainly oppotunity for improvement. I took a statistical survey of ALL 3,000 municipal treatment plans in the State of California with the permission of their governing body. The statisical survey was for my graduate degree statistics program. If you would like, I will look in my old files and post the results. These are my field experiences summarized but I have many moren notes in my field journal. Personal Notes Mike - Please note that this was earlier in my career and worked from an industrial point of view. It was later that I became exposed to deeper principles of energy conservation, biofuel, and sustainability. I am always challenged when I start my car and take my kids to school in the morning. Could I take a bus? How about asking them to walk as I did in my youth? What about the migrants coming to California who seek a better life, new cars, homes, etc? It is always a challenge for me to balance. Respectfully submitted, Phillip Wolfe --- Phillip Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike - I am at work and will send email later > tonight > Pacific Standard Time. > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Phillip. > > > > I would like to know about this. I have no > > experience with municiple waste handling, but I > have > > lived in the farm belt all of my life and know how > > hard small family farmers work to manage their > waste > > streams. > > > > The problem I see with urban sprawl is the attempt > > to utilize the same waste handling solutions that > > cities use. When our township tried to setup a > waste > > water district, where several rural homes would > > connect their septic tanks to a common drain > field, > > the state disallowed it. All of the home owners > were > > required to become annexed to the city and join > the > > municiple waste water treament system. > > > > But like I said, I do not know the details of each > > system. > > > > Mikem > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 18:02:54 -0800 (PST) > > From: Phillip Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] factory farms vs. large > > cities > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Message-ID: > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Mike - interesting comments. Earlier in my career, > I > > worked as a Field Energy Engineer and was assigned > > beef, poultry, dairy market sector including > > Abattoirs, Slaughterhouses, Meat Packers, Poultry > > Farms, et al. I also handled the sewage and water > > treatment market sector for about six years. > > > > It was interesting experience. I visited all these > > facilities inside and out. > > > > I can provide additional comment if needed. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! 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