Dear Guag: Seems a good approach would be to effect a gradual transition. I gather you're in Thailand and no nothing of that region, but I do work in forestry in Canada and am semi reliant on biofuels. There is no such thing as a useless tree--- promote the harvesting of less desired species and restock as you go. Have Fun, HRMH --- Guag Meister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Keith ; > > I really and truly have no ulterior motive for > asking > this question, and I'm at a loss as to understand > why > it has generated such controvery. It was never my > intention. > > When I click "respond", Yahoo truncates a long > response message about half way through with a > mwessage "==message truncated==". I had to open a > text window of the "unresponded" message and cut and > paste your post and then type in the ">" and line > feeds to show your original post. Just trying to > respond to the important points and keep it as brief > as possible. If it mislead anyone than I am truly > sorry. > > Best Regards, > > Peter G. > Thailand > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hello Peter > > > > >Hi Keith ; > > > > > >Oh boy, > > > > Uh-huh? > > > > >I guess I'll try one more time to ask this > > >hypothetical question and then I'll leave it > alone. > > > > > >In the case of a standing forest of small trees, > > the > > >preponderance of which are have a 3 sigma size > > >distribution of 10 cm +/- 5 cm as a result of > many > > >decades of non-sustainable pilaging by the local > > >people where any trees with perceived local > > >utilization were removed, and additionally where > I > > >have identified the species of tree and > determined > > >that it presented no medicinal, culinary, or > > materials > > >benefit, and additionally where I, in conjunction > > with > > >the local people, determined that the clear > > ecological > > >benefit of the tree would be significantly better > > >provided by a multi-purpose tree, and therefore > we > > >would like to transition the forest in a > > sustainable > > >manner towards the much acclaimed multi purpose > > use, > > >how do we gently cause the transition in a > > sustainable > > >manner? > > > > > > > Oh, you cut it down? Are you > > > > sure you're not going to regret that? > > > > > >So then you are saying not to cut it down? > > > > I'm saying what I'm saying, and I said somewhat > more > > than just the > > last few words: > > > > >>Not too many of this size and I guess we just > need > > to > > >>define our terms. What do you call a tree 5 cm > at > > the > > >>base? 30 cm? 1 meter? 2 meters? > > > > > >It depends which particular tree you mean. Not > just > > which species, > > >which tree. What would you call call a tree 5 cm > at > > the base? What > > >will you call it in five years' time? Oh, you cut > > it down? Are you > > >sure you're not going to regret that? > > > > Same here, from below: > > > > > > > My question much more basic : what happens > to > > the > > > > > existing forest when you try to transform it > > to > > >these > > > > >wonderful species? I'm assuming that most of > > it > > >gets > > > > >cut down. > > > > > > > Why should it be? > > > > > >Then you are saying don't cut it down? > > > > Sorry Peter, if you want a book of rules or a > > technical operating > > manual you won't get them from me, nor any more > > broad sweeping > > generalised statements than you've already had. > > > > > > Have you looked > > > > at the big databases, like NewCrop, the > Handbook > > of > > > > Energy Crops, > > > > Plants For A Future? > > > > > >No I didn't know they existed. This is precisely > > why > > >I am here posting these questions. > > > > But one of them at least is listed on the Trees > page > > at our site that > > you said didn't have any information. They're all > on > > our site, and in > > the list archives. > > > > >genuinely usable only as firewood. Asking the > > >question what to do with these trees in this case > > is > > >absolutely valid, even if the answer is to do > > nothing > > >at all with them. > > > > It is not valid when the only information you have > > provided on them > > is their girth. > > > > This is a classic miscommunication (look at the > > original for a comparison): > > > > > > I was VERY > > > > gratified to find that each time I dug a hole > I > > soon > > > > hit the remains > > > > of an old tree-stump! Right on top, every > time. > > Cut > > > > down and burnt. > > > > So I got it right, as the original farmers had > > also > > > > got it right. > > > > You're looking for a list of instructions to > > tell > > > > you how to do that? > > > > > >Not at all. I'm not asking how to plant desired > > >species when existing trees have been cut, I'm > > asking > > >how to plant desired specied when existing trees > > have > > >NOT been cut. > > > > Do you think I hadn't gathered that? So why do you > > think I used this > > example, just being woolly-minded? > > > > >In your case the question I am asking > > >was already answered for you : ie. the previous > > trees > > >were already cut and burned. > > > > There's only one question, eh? The one you're > > asking, right or wrong. > > > > I find the way you've snipped all this it hardly > > makes any sense to > > me and bears little resemblance to what I wrote. > > Just dross, what you > > snipped, you think? > > > > You're not getting my point, and I don't wish to > > argue nor to be > > pushed into saying things I'd have said in the > first > > place if I'd > > wanted to, so I'll back off now. > > > > Best wishes, and good luck > > > === message truncated ===
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