Hello Keith, Thanks for all the helpful information.
You're most welcome, glad it helps.
What a sin that so much waste of resource is going on.
A sin indeed, and barely even the tip of the iceberg. But there's still time to mend our ways, even this late in the game.
I will post what I find when I titrate the rice oil.
Yes please.
It's also very helpful to get the info on the Elsbett kit. I did speak to a mechanic in Sonoma County, CA, who is using Neoteric components, he has been the only mechanic so far who spoke about the injector and glow plug issues with SVO conversions.
I think there's a lot more awareness of that in Europe. But then they do have a big headstart on the US.
So much to learn.
Yes! But it's not as difficult now as it was.
It's wonderful to have such a terrific site and community to help in the process!
It's good of you to say so, thankyou.
I will pass the information on. Take care, Frieda
And you Frieda. Best wishes Keith
----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fryer Rice Oil for SVO > Hi Frieda > > Interesting - this is the first time (in five years) that I encounter > used rice oil here. Yet (from a previous message): > > >"It has been estimated that 700 000 t per year of rice bran oil > >could be extracted from the 20% world paddy production currently > >processed in two-stage mills." > > > >So 80% - equivalent to 2,800,000 tons - gets "wasted" because more > >"efficient" single-stage milling mixes the bran with the hulls. Even > >the 20% makes 231 million gallons a year, another 924 million > >gallons in the other 80%. And the bran also contains 40-50% soluble > >carbohydrates, for ethanol. > > > >That's the wasted potential with only current production methods. > > (Which could easily be doubled, while cutting inputs down by 80% or > more, including fossil-fuel inputs...) What was I saying yesterday > about the powers-that-be taking biofuels issues seriously (not!)? > Despite all the friendly-sounding grunting noises. > > >Hello All, > > I am collecting used rice oil from a local burger joint to use > >in my (hopefully soon to be found) SVO converted vehicle. The oil > >is fairly clean, smells really nice (not at all rancid), > > There's an enzyme in it that acidifies the oil - FFA levels rise > fast, up to 30% from an initial 3%. So it has to be processed > quickly, which stabilises it I suppose. Try titrating it, that will > tell you what you need to know. > > >and has remained liquid in temps down to at least 40F. > > Should go lower than that. > > >I have not found much information about rice oil, including what its > >iodine value is, > > 90 - 110. > > >or if it is a "good" oil to use. Not much information on rice oil > >at journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html, that I came across. > > Also, I am interested in people's experiences with different SVO > >conversions. Likely I will end up with a MBZ 300D wagon. Each > >person I speak to proclaims the system they use to be more efficient > >than the other. Is there anyone out there who can compare the > >commercially available kits, their pros and cons? Which is the > >best system to install for use in Northern California. > > Elsbett. See: > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html > Straight vegetable oil as diesel fuel > > Don't get some two-tank system that probably has copper parts in it > and all it does is pre-heat the oil to lower the viscosity, there's a > lot more to it than that, even with a Merc. > > Our SVO page is currently being revised. It was three years ago that > I first uploaded it, and it's been revised and added to regularly > since then, but more information has emerged on just what is required > to run an engine on SVO successfully. We don't any longer recommend > simple two-tank systems that only pre-heat the oil. As Niels Ans¿ of > the Folkecenter in Denmark said recently: "The "secret" is injector > and glow plugs, increased injection pressure, + afterglow and good > quality rape seed oil." Or at least good quality oil, if not > rapeseed. Special injectors, special glow-plugs, adjustments to the > injector pump, electronic controls that keep the glow-plugs on and > the heaters heating until a certain fuel temperature is reached. The > only such system available in the US and internationally is Elsbett, > and IMO it's the best system anyway - Elsbett has been deeply > involved in this business for a long time, 30 years and more. No > switching fuel from one tank to the other once it's finally warmed up > enough, no purging before you switch off (or forgetting to) - switch > on and go, stop and switch off, SVO, biodiesel or petro-diesel, in > any combination. > > Best wishes > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > Thanks, Frieda
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