A couple of things, Harry. First, that is NOT trolling. People posting information you don't agree with and that is not necessarily off-topic is not trolling. Trolling is baiting, and I doubt you seriously think Ed posted that message as bait.
Second, the research has been done by qualified people belonging to a reputable group, and is being published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which is certainly a reputable journal. Are you saying that the otherwise sentient editors at the PNAS somehow suspended their critical faculties in order to accept this "crap" as gospel? What cause do you have to dismiss this report so casually? You and I have tussled over closely related issues in the past, and I don't think any evidence emerged that my view was any less sentient than yours. On the other hand, you made some statements you were unable to substantiate, and ended up preferring scepticism but being unable to say why. So maybe it was your sentience that was suspended. I tend to think so, and this bears it out - this is just a knee-jerk rejection, not a considered response. Man, I do love it when people pooh-pooh the damage their wasteful lifestyles cause and then say "let's get on with something practical"! Keith >Steady Dave they are just trolling. >Unfortunately this type of "release" is taken as gospel by many >otherwise sentient people. In the Australian context too many of them >are in the public service. The context needs to be considered, we >generally represent the people of the world whose needs are being >met. Members of many of these conservation oriented groups are >amoungst the wealthiest, note the celebrities used to promote >projects like Olivia Newton Johns reafforest Australia campaign. That >less than 25% of Australia was forest under aboriginal permaculture >doesnt come into it. Australia actually has more than 25% under >forest and the tree density is often unsustainable. The real at risk >ecosystems are open woodland and native grassland. The ones that can >be preserved with good forest grazing practices. People whos needs >are met have no trouble putting millions of hectares of otherwise >productive land under carbon sequestering trees to slow climate >change. Afer all the change may well threaten their obscene share of >the worlds resources. >Having said that let me also say that we really must limit our use of >resources to what we actually need, waste does no one good nor do >practices that ultimately reduce the productive capacity of the >renewable resources that we need. >My view is simple enough, the amount of resources a person uses is >measured by their income, a cap on income limits waste. >Redistribution of "excess" income via taxation to pay for public >services that ensure an effective lower limit of income for the poor >is the most "achievable" method of redustributing income. >Not all sustainability types agree with me but its a good way of >distinguishing between the "greedy" conservationist (I like my high >income lifestyle but do these peasants have to breath so much air) >and the genuine conservationist who's political solution includes >increased taxes for incomes over double the full time male average. >Meanwhile Dave just work away on the practical solutions. >Regards from Harry > >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This is such crap. Do all of you really believe this? Are we all >doomed to > > eating dirt and living in caves? > > > > This is the first that I have responded to you all after having >subscribed to > > the shat line on Biofuels. I'm making and selling Biodiesel. >There's a huge > > market for it and it works soooo well. What, for the most part do >you people > > do?; Believe in this Hokum about earth's short resources and >emanate death > > due to human activity? What Crap and very unscientific. > > > > I still want to check in on your chat about Biofuel so I'll stick >around > > until you whack out completely > > > > Any questions from an actual producer? > > > > Dave Edmondson > > Ferndale, WA ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
