Hrmm, algae for oil and the renderings for biomass ..... what a boon!! Actually algae is already being utilized for it's other properties on a large scale in the California Desert. Just need to move it over to BD processing.
James Slayden On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Appal Energy wrote: > Using liquid fuels to produce electricity for any other use than > backup/emergency is not very efficient. The best source for > electricity would be the dried biomass, sans seeds. ( ~16.8 > million Btu per ton, 3 + tons per acre, 4,650 + kWh per acre). > Heat would be the useable byproduct of the gasification (CHP - > Continual Heat & Power). > > Other alternative for the biomass is to implement pyrolytic > conversion to manufacture methanol. That would amount to ~186 > gallons of methanol per ton, or ~568 + gallons per acre. US DOE > releases dated 1995 state a manufacturing cost of $0.20 a liter, > with expectations of reducing those costs to ~$0.13 a liter. > > There literally is no other plant, save for perhaps algae (still > in experimental stages), that can produce the same amount of > biomass per acre in the same 90-120 day time period. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:48 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Why not? (On farm fuel from hempseed > oil) > > > > If these formerly waste materials are good for using as some > > transportation fuels (such as in tractors) I wonder if they > couldn't > > also be used in generating electricity or heat. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:12:43 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Tim, > > > > > >No hemp farmer in Canada or Europe is expending $600 per acre > in > > >order to get a $600 return. > > > > > >When you look at those who are cold pressing the seed for oil, > > >you find that there is an inordinate amount of sludge that > gets > > >separated from the readily filterable oil. Cold pressing does > not > > >give the luxury of high immediate yields (although it does > offer > > >the luxury of "solvent free") and due to the nature of the > food > > >grade oil business a great percentage of the oil is discarded > as > > >sludge. Eventually the sludge separates even further, leaving > > >approximately 60% of what was discarded to be used for "less > than > > >food grade" purposes. > > > > > >This is the oil that would be used for biodiesel, not the > > >intially pressed oil. > > > > > >At present, several of the oil producers in Canada are > > >stockpiling their sludge. This has resulted in large > quantities > > >of hemp seed oil becoming available for fuel conversion. > > >Considering the fact that this was once considered to be a > "waste > > >product," utilizing it as farm fuel is not an unattractive end > > >use. > > > > > >As well, the fines that settle out of the sludge are a superb > > >chicken feed - yet another free product of what was once > > >relegated to the category of "waste." > > > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Tim Castleman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:21 PM > > >Subject: [biofuels-biz] Why not? (On farm fuel from hempseed > oil) > > > > > > > > >> From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Subject: Re: Hemp Fuel Conspiracy? > > >> > > >> Why not? > > >> > > >> > I also wonder about farming (i.e., if a Hemp farmer could > > >make just > > >> > enough to forestall having to go off-farm for fuel, if > this > > >could be > > >> > worth it to him, just for his own fuel needs... probably > > >not.) > > >> > > >> This is one of those impossible questions, the answer will > > >never satisfy because the fact is hemp cannabis HAS been > > >deliberately repressed, several million $ is spent each year > on > > >eradication efforts on feral hemp, for example. DEA drug > warriors > > >are emotionally and financially attached to their work, and so > > >perpetuate many lies and place many barriers. Perhaps the most > > >insidious of which are the divisions within the > > >cannabis/hemp/marijuana culture itself. > > >> > > >> This repression has prevented development of the crop per > se, > > >thus leaving us with the familiar chicken and egg scenario. > > >Bottom line, when petroleum stays at $30 bbl, a plant-based > > >economy will emerge. > > >> > > >> Meanwhile, yes, a farmer could grow hemp, harvest the seed > and > > >extract the oil for on farm use, but why would he with all the > > >other oil crops available that will produce much more oil than > > >hemp? In a practical sense, and most farmers are practical to > a > > >fault, to spend $600 or so to grow $600 or so worth of fuel > only > > >works with government subsidies. 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