hakan, i wasn't disputing everything you suggest.
what i do have trouble with, and correct me if i'm misinterpreting you, is the notion that the vikings could somehow be descended both from the roman legions and the turks. could there have been contact between the romans and scandinavia? possibly a trade relationship? certainly, but i find this questionable because the vikings would have had little if anything to offer that the romans weren't already getting from the peoples of britania, and western and central europe. it seems more likely that scandinavian goods would have found their way to the romans indirectly, via trade with the germanic peoples of central europe. but even if we suppose that there was direct trade contact, i highly doubt it could have had sufficient regularity or depth to be of significant cultural/technological/political impact, with the possible exception of their longboats. but even this i've never heard suggested, and it seems about as likely that this influence could have come from phoenician traders. that is, if the viking longboat wasn't an entirely autoctonous technology. there may be more to the turkish/turkic relationship, because the history gets a little more complex. but it seems highly speculative in the least if not utterly baseless and fanciful, to suggest that the connections are anything but extremely remote in some cases, and superficial in others. anyway, except for the fact that (as was pointed out earlier in this thread) everything is connected to everything, we seem to have gone pretty far afield. perhaps you'd like to continue this discussion off-list? -chris b. _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
