Hallo Todd,
Amen and well said brother. Happy Happy, Gustl Saturday, 09 July, 2005, 22:20:29, you wrote: AE> Tim Brodie, AE> > I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum AE> > about London. Lots of argument about what each person thinks AE> > their "unimpeachable" sources of information say. Nothing about AE> > the current event that demonstrates the face of this evil, and the AE> > nature of the value systems that executed these actions. AE> Why would you find it "fascinating?" People build bombs. People blow up AE> and never see their loved ones again. People get maimed, scarred and AE> disfigured for life and perhaps never look at anything in the same AE> fashion again, much less in a natural fashion. AE> That's not fascinating. That's horror. AE> Perhaps what is fascinating is the fact that the recipient nations AE> remain defiant in their industrial, colonial, imperial and military AE> endeavors, refusing to address the core of the problem, in turn giving AE> no cause for insurgents, terrorists or "freedom fighters" to back down AE> either. AE> Think about this for a moment: AE> In Iraq War #1, there were two quotes that while they echo in my daily AE> being seem to have been lost on 99.9% of the world's population. The AE> first was George Herbert Walker Bush stating that "This is about jobs, AE> American jobs." AE> The second was George Schultz stating, "This is about preserving the AE> American lifestyle." AE> Granted, Kuwait was invaded. Granted, Kuwait was slant drilling into AE> Iraqi oilfields. Granted, Iraq took no effort to resolve the issue AE> diplomatically. AE> But take a look at the responses from American "leadership," - "jobs" AE> and "lifestyle" were the paramount justifications for war, not any moral AE> high ground, not any "points of light," just "jobs" and "the American AE> lifestyle." AE> Now, tell me what has changed since then. Afghanistan being a house of AE> military bedlam for two plus decades, fueled by both the United States AE> and the USSR. Entire populations of similar mindsets in neighboring AE> nations fed up with "the American lifestyle" and how its manipulations AE> had, are and will continue to affect them if change is not brought AE> about. Individuals of limitted resources adamant that change must be AE> effected as soon as possible and with some justification at perhaps all AE> costs. AE> What is fascinating and remarkable is that in the face of what many AE> perceive - in many respects correctly so - to be international AE> oppression, starvation, exploitation and strangulation, no one addresses AE> the role that imperialistic powers play in lighting the fuses that lead AE> to events such as London. They certainly didn't address the same issues AE> on September 12th, 2002. They haven't discussed their own role since then. AE> Personally? Were I of Arab descent? I'd be mad as hell. And knowing how AE> easily it is for humans to be impatient and act or react rather than AE> wait for a slow, bureaucratic, greedy internatiionally intwined monster AE> to even begin to deliberate what it might destroy or compromise with its AE> next bite, it's not a far reach to understand where the underpinnings of AE> all this originate from. AE> That's what is fascinating. The denial, avoidance and betrayal of the AE> core issues by national governments, all more interested in their AE> "lifestyle" than the betterment and peace of the rest of the globe's AE> peoples. AE> So why talk about London and "evil" of type you imply when the evil at AE> the core remains unaddressed, much less resolved? AE> I think that "evil at the core" is what is being addressed here. The AE> bombs, bloodletting, shortened lives and lost futures is what we'd all AE> like to prevent, even if it seems to be so simple as "de-evolving" and AE> choosing alternative and softer paths.. AE> Unfortunately, cowboys and assholes in "power" (not!) would rather AE> preserve American and western "lifestyles" as they have derisively AE> become to be known. AE> I believe we're all in for a bit of a shock if such mindlessness is AE> permitted to prevail. And we haven't seen anything yet if we don't AE> change our direction and goals as a country. AE> Todd Swearingen -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. ******** We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. ******** The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" ******** Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. ******** Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin ******** The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. 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