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Civilian Version of Military KLR DIESEL Motorcycle http://blogs.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/05272004112942MWED66.htm http://www.f1engineering.com/ Greg H. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:46 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes > Hello; > There are some MC's running on diesel. > In india they are selling old british (Enfield Bullets) bikes converted to > diesel. > In Europe there are some small companies working diesel based bikes. > > But out of the big manufacturers (Suzuki Honda Yanaha Kawasaki BMW Harley > etc) none of them has such model. > > I believe the emissions may be a reason, also high maintenance and heavy > engines (compared to gasoline). > In any case a samll capacity (less than 250cc) bike will give you avery high > mileage (like 50 to 60mpg) (2 litres to 100km). > > Higher displacement bikes (like 1000cc 100Hp) whic will give you 30 to 40mpg > (6 litre to 100km). > > Consumption on bikes heavily depends how much you twist throttle and how > often..... > With the same bike different riders (with different habits) will have > different values. > > If I were to prefer the MC for savings I would stick to 4 stroke 250cc > engine utility models. > Cheap to buy, cheap to maintain and cheap to insure..... > > I just wish more drivers would use MC's to save energy time and money. > > Last month there was an article about a Motorcycle running on fuel cell. > Another good idea. Please check > http://envbike.com/ > > Best Regards > > Burak Cedetas > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rademan, Jacobus > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:15 AM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes > > > Hi all, i own a landrover disco tdi and get 980km on a tank 85l but on > the motorbike which use petrol 19km/l my question,where > are the tdi motorbikes,diesel cars are lighter than petrol cars,so diesel > bikes will also be,is 40km/l reachable????????? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:30 AM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes > > > > Hello; > 22mpg diesel cost less than same amount of gasoline so you save some. > > BUT, May I ask why do you need a Hummer sized expedition machine? > Except USA such large cars or SUV's are out of our shopping list anyway. > The cost and running expenses do not justify them. > > I like going offroad. Currently I do that with a motorbike. If I choose to > buy an offroad 4x4, > I wouldn't consider anything bigger than 2.5 litre diesel which will give me > at least 25 to 30mpg. > > May be we should consider to change our purchasing habbits in favour of > preserving whatever > is left in the world in terms of resources. I hope the below quote from your > e-mail will come > true some day; > "The US needs (and will) get over its fascination w/ giant cars." > > As I have written in my previous e-mail, our kids will be the ones to suffer > / enjoy results of our choices. > > Regards > > Burak > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:24 PM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes > > > Not in a Hummer-sized or Expedition-sized vehicle you won't! I counted > over 30 that don't even get 20 mpg on EPA's website. > I have a VW Golf and get at least 43-46. > > The US doesn't sell small diesels, except the Jeep, but it's so heavy it > still get no mileage. Isuzu was was the last carmaker to build a decent > midsize SUV w/ a diesel - it got 30-35 or so but that was years ago. > > The US needs (and will) get over its fascination w/ giant cars. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Hello; > > > >You will get far more than 22mpg with diesel. > >Unless of course you are looking for very large capacity engine (like 6 > >litres) which and average city user does not need. > > > >Over here (outside of USA) you can buy 2.5 to 3.5 litre diesel engined > >SUV's and Vans. > >You will get at least 25mpg. And these are 4x4 heavy duty machines. > > > >Or you can get small capacity diesel cars (example 1.6 litre Hyundai Getz) > >and you get something > >like 40 miles to a gallon easily. These are real life values including city > >traffic (not test values). > > > >I have looked at the article, it mentiones that in US the refineries do not > >have the capacity for the diesel production. > >Well hey maybe this is a great opportunity for bio-diesel.... Start using > >the vegetable oil or even better > >waste vegetable oil. You will save the environment, create jobs for local > >farmers and pollute far less. > >I would estimate that for a bio-diesel plant it will take maximum 6 months > >from scratch to be operational. > >And you can use the local farmers produce or local restaurants WVO (and > save > >the pollution). > >Even better if you have the talent like many in this list you can make it > at > >home, and save a bundle... > > > >Article also mentions that diesel prices are soaring. Yes this is true. I > >can tell you that this is a great > >tax revenue for all of the government. I can tell you that over here there > >are less taxes on biodiesel. > >The government actually supports the BD production. Therefore the BD sells > >for less than normal diesel. > >To save more please refer to the last sentence of the previous paragraph. > > > >There is one more issue about commercial transportation. We need to build > >more railroads. Trucking everything > >wil not be feasible. Again in Turkiye I believe we have the largest truck > >population in Europe. But at the end of the > >day no matter how many roads you build they are always congested and the > >accident rates are difficult to control. > >For commercial transportation you need to build railroads and develop the > >seaways. > > > >So there is a solution for all of the claims this article makes. It all > >comes down to the personal choice of each individual. > >Do we want to solve problems? Or do we prefer to enjoy the luxury of > >"wasting energy"? I gues our kids will be the one > >to appreciate our efforts or put the blame on us. > > > >regards > > > >Burak > >Istanbul, Turkiye > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver > >Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:21 PM > >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes > > > > > >I read that. Diesel will only help if combined w/ high mileage cars, > >hybrid and bio. To go to diesel so Americans can get 22 mpg in their > >SUVs is pretty silly. > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > >>Click here: Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes > >> > >> > >> > ><http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR20050807 > 0 > >0888.html> > > > > > >>FYI. No mention of biodiesel to augment supplies. > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Biofuel mailing list > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >> > >> > >messages): > > > > > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
