Hello David >Hakan Falk wrote: > >>David, >> >>So it is legal in US to suggest that a man should be assassinated? >> > >I expect that's covered under free speech. > >I'd personally rate Robertsons comments as up there with any number >of people who advocate the death of Bush for crimes against humanity >or somesuch. If Bush were assasinated would these people really be >responsible?
Maybe I didn't notice but I have not heard of anyone calling for the death of Bush. Excepting some of the victims of course, but not anybody in the US, which I think is what you're talking about. >It's legal in the US to hold an opinion that someone should be >killed. It's legal to express that opinion. Bear in mind, of >course, that IANAL. > >It crosses the line when it becomes "inciting to violence" or >something clearer, like paying someone to perform the murder. > >>What if Chavez is murdered is murdered and CIA is behind it, will he >>not be pursued for suggesting it? >> >I don't believe so. The idea that the CIA would do something >because this nut thought it was a good idea is laughable. > >Take a step back and listen to yourself. Does anyone on this list >thing anyone at the CIA is going to wake up and say "HEY! Robertson >thinks we should assasinate a foreign head of state! Guess we'd >better start laying plans" > >C'mon, that's just silly. I'd be surprised if there weren't at least elements within the CIA who're thinking the same way as Robertson. I think the administration thinks the same way as Robertson. A lot of people think that. I think Chavez thinks that too. Have a look at this: http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&c onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=chavez Search results for 'chavez' Or: http://snipurl.com/h8up "... Chavez( hey, they tried to oust him short of killing him)..." They tried just about everything, and the stakes are getting higher and higher. If you think this sort of stuff doesn't happen, then it'd be you who's being silly, IMHO. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg45962.html Re: [Biofuel] Confessions of an Economic Hit Man http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/41438/ An Interview with William Blum - The Granma Moses of Radical Writing http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, by William Blum http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, by William Blum http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm The American Holocaust ... just to scratch the surface. >>I know that it is against US law to have any agency to kill a leader of >>an other Nation. This means also that Robertson is instigating a crime, >>by suggesting it. Why is he not in jail? >> > >He's not instigating a crime. He's not causing a crime to be >committed. He's not soliciting anyone to commit the crime. He's >not offering money or other reward for the crime, he's not issuing a >challenge to his followers that one of them should go kill the man. > >He's expressing a moronic, immoral opinion, not calling people to >action. I'm not trying to support Robertson, just trying to defend >free speech. You see if you want to be able to speak freely you >have to let others do so too, even if you don't like what they say. There is no society that doesn't put restrictions on free speech, of necessity, and it's a very difficult line to draw. Inciting to violence is a case in point - it's obvious? Maybe, but it's a restriction of free speech just the same, and there are many others, along with a constantly shifting grey area. >And I'd suggest that people here think along those lines. Nothing new to us David. But it's more than just a label, or maybe less. You're making a mistake in writing off much of this discussion as "rhetoric", as you did. If you took a less blinkered look you'd see that a great deal of information has been provided, the list archives is now a good resource on Pat Robertson. Any future discussion here of Pat Robertson or of any similar event will be better informed from the start, as with many other subjects. And that's what's needed as a true basis for free speech - free information. The true enemy of free speech and all freedom is spin as much as fascism, IMHO, and Pat Robertson has provided us with yet another example of that too. Several. >If expressing the opinion that a criminal act would have a >desirable outcome becomes a crime then free speech no longer exists. >IE, if someone suggests that the world would be a better place >without Bush are you calling for a crime to be committed and subject >to arrest? In the US we call that dissent, These days you (pl) call it treason as much as anything else. What's the punishment for treason in the US? >and the government may be trying to extinguish it but they haven't >yet succeeded. Lets not give them any ammo in their efforts. I don't think we give your government or any government any ammo. Best wishes Keith >--- David _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
