>I was serious though, the list could start an initiative here, >members willing, but it'll have to be specific or nothing will happen.
Well, how about we see what some people have done and how they worked, and figure out what a good concrete goal is and how to go in that direction. Here's specific steps that I have taken: Switching all lightbulbs to compact fluorescents Riding my bike around town for errands instead of driving Taking the bus to work instead of driving Putting PV on my bus (more like my mountain cabin since I don't drive it) Running biodiesel in my pickup, and soon my car Buying wind energy from the utility for the house I rent in town. And working on a solar thermal heating system and PV system for my new house I just bought in the mountains. Trying to buy local produce and goods when possible (hard to even tell much of the time...) The disturbing thing is that, after doing all of this which reduces my impact to much less than the average American, I still have an enormous impact compared to the average Indian or African. My workplace is 25 miles from my house. I spend several days a week at my place in the mountains instead of down in town, which is another 40 miles round trip each day, and the bus doesn't go up there. If I could live in the city, I could reduce my impact from driving, but #1, I can't stand the city psychologically due to the simultaneous lack of community and high population density, and #2, I can't afford to buy anything in town, which prevents me from adding insulation/solar collectors, etc to reduce the energy impacts of my residence. But I'm trying. And quite honestly, what finally drove me to switch to biodiesel was not global warming (I used to buy greentags to offset carbon from my gasoline car), but the war in Iraq. Zeke On 9/21/05, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Terry > > >Hi Keith, > > > >I must compliment you on the great effort you are giving the world to reduce > >green house gases. > > Thankyou. Actually we'd no intention of trying to have any direct > effect on GHGs with Journey to Forever but it seems to have happened > anyway. > > >The work you are doing should be highly praised. Right now though there > >seems to be a resistance to moving quicker; there doesn't seem to be a sense > >of urgency considering that we are so close to the tipping point. Maybe > >some sort of legislation needs to be enacted such as restricting large > >trucks from using regular deisel instead of bio deisel. > > Biodiesel and biofuels are hardly even considered as energy issues in > the US, they're still agriculture commodities, nice things for Big > Soy and Big Corn and all the usual suspects. > > A needed sense of urgency has been lacking for rather a long time. > While Rome burnt. Well, at least Rome didn't emit fossil-fuel GHGs > when it burnt. > > I was serious though, the list could start an initiative here, > members willing, but it'll have to be specific or nothing will happen. > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >Terry Dyck > > > > > > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] global warming "tipping point" > > >Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:55:54 +0900 > > > > > >Hello Terry, tallex and all > > > > > > > >Hello, > > > > >Why not discuss the story and implications right here. > > > > >This list is full of individuals that can help make a difference. > > > > > >Can and have helped, are helping. Biofuel list members save lots of > > >carbon. It's been said the list has helped save more carbon than most > > >governments, or was it more than any government? Who knows. > > > > > >It's one of the things I like about the biofuels movement that nobody > > >has any real idea how much biodiesel and ethanol and heating oil and > > >stuff people are making or re-using or whatever or how much fossil > > >fuel they're not using, but it's easy to figure that it's in the > > >millions of gallons a year and up in the US alone, and it's worldwide. > > > > > >Anyway, I think the carbon saved is not just by making and using > > >biofuels, people take it in all kinds of directions with their own > > >projects and campaigns. I keep hearing of spin-offs I had no idea > > >existed, there must be many more of them. > > > > > > >I am one of those individuals that would like to make a difference. Were > > >is > > > >the starting gate? Lets get started. > > > > > >Well I think we did get started already, long ago some of us. What > > >would you or anyone suggest we should do that we're not doing already? > > > > > >If other members could say what they're doing and how they see it > > >that might be a start, and it would encourage others to do the same. > > > > > >Best wishes > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Terry Dyck > > > > >Believe me the well financed global warming skeptics and traditional > > >fossil > > > > >fuel suppliers > > > > >won't win in the long run if we face them head on. > > > > >We will be confronting serious problems in the near future from our > > >past > > > > >energy gluttony > > > > >and disregard for the earth's natural ecosystems. We got ourselves into > > > > >this mess > > > > >and we are going to have to find sustainable solutions to develop a > > >viable > > > > >future for the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >regards > > > > >tallex > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Subject: [Biofuel] global warming "tipping point" > > > > > > Sent: 17 Sep '05 19:44 > > > > > > > > > > > > [0]mad_goldfish writes "The UK's Independent is running a front > > >page > > > > > > story today on a scientific report claiming that [1]global warming > > >is > > > > >now > > > > > > unstoppable, after measuring changes in the level of ice in the > > > > >arctic." > > > > > > From the article: "The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached > > >a > > > > > > 'tipping point' beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss > > >of > > > > > > sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which > > >will > > > > > > raise sea levels dramatically. Satellites monitoring the Arctic > > >have > > > > > > found that the extent of the sea ice this August has reached its > > >lowest > > > > > > monthly point on record, dipping an unprecedented 18.2 per cent > > >below > > > > >the > > > > > > long-term average." Either way, [2]someone wins a bet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Discuss this story at: > > > > > > http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=05/09/16/1514216 > > > > > > > > > > > > Links: > > > > > > 0. mailto:craig...nicol@@@gmail...com > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article312997.ece > > > > > > 2. > > >http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/20/1845247&tid=126 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
