Nah, we'll take magical thinking and chaos over reality and reasonably
orderly energy planning every time. You watch. Mike Weaver for President Magical Thinking Party 2 SUVs and a Monster house for every American! Appal Energy wrote: You're correct Mike, Jimmy Carter "got it."But it wasn't what he "got" that sent the economy into a tailspin. Yes, it was partly his fault for failing to pay strict attention to some of the economic indicators soon enough. But the market took a dive largely due to the shakeup from the Arab oil embargo. And when you throw the waning confidence factor resulting from that, a hostage crisis, a failed rescue attempt and then a charletan such as Reagan who promises two fresh baked pies on every window sill, you have a recipe for a one term president. Sad part is? The US economy continued to grow for nearly fifteen years after the nation began its intense conservation endeavors in the late '70s - all without increasing its oil imports by a drop for the first ten to twelve years of that period. Think about all that new growth and the massive amounts of energy it took to create it. But all those gains were achieved primarily as a result of conservation and efficiency ("negawatts"). Too bad it was Reagan and Bush who received the free ride from that market change. Same thing could happen again, or at least things could stabilize considerably. Unfortunately, George Bush wouldn't know what a "cardigan moment" was, much less initiate one, even if his life depended upon it. The suggestion from this vantage point is that you grab the stand-up straps on this bus and prepare yourself for a hasty stop over the next few years. Bush's successor will be spending an inordinate amount of time the next four years fighting to turn markets back in the direction that Carter started. And then what? The "moral" minority will manage to stuff the ballot box and install another puppet or two for twelve more years and run this ship of state aground all over again? Gets a little old. Just waiting to see how many in this gene pool are smart enough to figure it out and not board the Titanic for yet another ride. You'd think they would have had a clue after the first trillion dollar record of national debt. Todd SwearingenOh, he probably gets it. But saying and being drummed out of office is something else again. Jimmy Cartet "got it" and look what happened to him. It's the vast majority of US citizens that "don't get it" and won't, until they have to. People in the US are mad about gas prices, but they are not mad they we have no energy policy. Tom Irwin wrote:Hi Todd, I vote for the devestating change to the American life style. Maybe everyone could just have a life. Tom Irwin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:34:54 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids "on threshold of commercialization" Sorry folks. But Senator Lieberman just doesn't get it. Someone should suggest the following as mandatory viewing as his primer. http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ Hybrids won't solve the problems we face, especially when they're now being engineered in ways that compromise their previous efficiency for acceleration capability. Even alternative fuels won't solve them. We've reached peak production at the global scale. The only way for demand to match reductions in production is immediately reduced consumption. That means no ten year lag in waiting for hybrid market share to increase. That means no ten year lag in biofuels to garner market share. What it does mean is an immediate concerted effort between conservation, overnight retooling of Detroit for efficiency (or else the big three further lose market share and quickly go belly up) and alt fuels. Anything less than a three pronged attack means a devastating change in "the American lifestyle." And we damned sure wouldn't want to disappoint or upset George Junior or Blaire by having to alter the overall American/Western lifestyle in order to prevent suburban collapse and general economic pandemonium, now would we? 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