|
Mike,
I'll do my best to write up some
plans and explain the harder points. The best thing I can tell you is to start
looking up homemade turbine. Or Turbocharger engine. I am more of a tinker then
a planer. I bought a turbo from a local junkyard $25 bucks. I was told it
worked, but the car was totaled. Then from several sources I
had already found on the internet I started tinkering. After a few months
of playing around with it, and a lot of time watching tv, I had a running
engine. Now I could use it to power something, but what am I going to do
with 5 lbs of thrust that sucks 10lbs of propane in 5 min. Now that I've
gotten into bio-diesel I was trying to figure out what I can do with my
byproduct.
If I plan on selling a lot of this I have to find
someone to take the glycerine or a way to dispose of it. Well I started thinking
about it and for any number of reasons it would be nice to have a high volume
burner then I decided to try glycerine. I had already run diesel, kerosine,
propane, and a near miss with gasoline. Once it is up to heat on propane then
put in the glycerine and it works great. it will also take twice the glycerine
to make as much power as any of the other fuels so you can burn off a lot if you
need to.
After thinking about it there's a lot of heat lost,
and I have been dreading the electric bill of heating my batches, but here's a
good source of excess heat, just beine blown into the atsmophere. now I reclaim
that and did the math. I get a huge amount of heating power without any
electricity at all.
Now I think if I add a exhaust turbine in line then
gear reduce it to turn my genhead I will still reclaim some more of that energy
and be able to power my processor pumps, and I decided to look at electric bills
and net metering. Well it technically is a biomass generator, and in louisiana a
person can produce 25kwh, or commercial can produce 100kwh and send it back out
the public lines. So now all I have to do is get approved and have a
electriction wire it into place.
Logan Vilas
Bio-Fuel Enterprises, Inc.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:33
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Why aren't there
more manufacturers?
Care to share the plans?
Mike Luich
On 10/13/05, logan
vilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I
have built a turbine engine/burner for my waste glycerine. I know it
can
be dumped, but mysetup preheats and can produce electricity at the
same time
of destroying my waste. The burner is just about the same for
any useage
from a half gallon an hour to 10 gallons a hour. It can burn
a lot. I have
it set up for 1 gallon a hour right now. It is slightely
loud(like a really
small jet engine), so no running it at night if your
nebighors are going to
complain. I figure 1 gallon of glycerine has
53,000 btu's. That's enough
energy to produce about 20 HP. You loose
about 25% in most cases to heat. So
If my numbers are correct that's 5hp.
That will turn a 2.5-3kw Generator
Head. My average electric consumption
for the last 6 months is 2.2 Kw per
hour. Right now the burner just
exhausts onto a 50 gallon water vat that I
am going to plumb into my
processor for heating(just waiting on the money
for heat exchanger). I
figure after the energy produced the left over energy
in the heat is
about 37,500 btu's. Then I should get about 3,750 btu's of
heating per
hour on my water vat.
The only reason I have not set up the genhead
is because durning the normal
day there are spikes above 3kw for some
time, then at night it slows down. I
am trying to get NET METERING. That
means any electricity I don't use goes
out to the general public and I
get paid for it, but when my demand is more
then my output I draw what
else I need from the utilitys. By the end of the
month they end up oweing
you for the excess you produced. and you made it
instead of going to the
dump with your glycerine. Plus that makes the size
of your glycerine
storage much smaller.
To produce enough glycerine to burn 24 gallons
a day you will need to make a
75 gallon batch per day. I size my batch by
wvo put into the processor. That
means you are preheating 562.5 pounds of
WVO. that's a 6.67 degree rise per
hour. and you should have about 22
hours of heating time at a min per day. I
figure no more then one hour to
pump 75 gallons into the processor then 1
hour to refill the preheat
tank. before heat loss that gives you a 146.74
degree heat rise from
ambiant. I figure in a decently insulated container
should have no more
then 50% heat loss(this could be easily wrong). That
would give you a Min
of 73.37 degree rise above ambiant. It seldom gets
below 40F In south
Louisiana.
This could be turned up to 1000 gallons per day and 10
gallons a hour of
consumption. It will produce the same temp rise because
of the added batch
size, but at 10gph glycerine it would produce 50hp and
beable to turn a
20-25kw gen head. You could also get a larger genhead
and burn 10 gallons
per hour over 2.4 hours that will give the same
overall energy consumption
the same electricity production and heating
without the continious running,
but that genhead gets very expensive and
it will be real loud running that
high speed. Then you would have to
start it wait 2 hours for your preheat
then start processing. I perfer
the idea of a running continious, Quiter,
and less trouble of haveing to
restart it and shut it down.
Logan Vilas
Bio-Fuel Enterprises,
Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Miller" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
<Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
Sent:
Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Why aren't
there more manufacturers?
> Bobby Clark wrote:
>
I'm slowly starting to think of it, but I'm not convinced
yet.
>
> I think most people who do it do it mostly as a way of
not using
> petro-diesel much more than to save money.
>
> I doubt I'd save much on fuel for my TDI. I'd
have to buy the pieces
> for the processor, buy the chemicals, and go
through the process of
> getting WVO, and practice until I get it
right. If I don't get it right
> I run the risk of
damaging my engine; rebuilding it or the injection
> pump or replacing
the injectors will cost more than I'll save making
> biodiesel in a
long, long time, even if the WVO is free. I have three
>
things I want to do with every free hour I have now, so making a
>
processor and learning to use it has some serious
competition.
>
> As far as reducing my personal impact on the
planet regarding fossil
> fuels I'm more inclined to use the WVO I
can get as a replacement for
> some of the home heating oil I
use. I have an extremely well insulated
> house and use
~650 gallons of heating oil last year. I think next
>
summer I'll cut at least 150 off with solar hot water heaters. If
I can
> get 250 gallons of WVO and mix it with K1 I can
save 400 of the 650
> gallons without risking the engine in my
TDI:) That's a significant
> savings, bring me down to
10-20% of what most houses use in these parts.
>
> I also wonder
what people are really doing with the leftover glycerine
> and wash
water with excess methanol. I suspect a lot of both get
>
dumped, as do batches that just "go bad". I don't know that, but
would
> be interested to hear from those actually making BD what they
do with
> their wash water. I live in the country and have
my own well and septic
> system; introducing methanol into the ground
water is not something I'm
> interested in doing. Perhaps I
don't understand the process well enough
> and the by products aren't
a problem?
>
> --- David
_______________________________________________
Biofuel
mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
Biofuel
at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Search
the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
_______________________________________________
Biofuel mailing
list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
Biofuel
at Journey to
Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Search the
combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
|
