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You'll get no argument from me on most of this - the crazy thing is
that the US could still enjoy an enviable standard of living WITH
energy saving. A hybrid diesel would allow for most of the "American Way of Life" - not that I am a huge fans of cars, but in this large country it would be hard to live out of the city w/o one. A well-built and insulated house w/ solar and a BD or WVO heating system would cost little to run. We could tap the huge underground collection of plumbing that brings water to our houses for cooling; many areas could use ground water loop systems. None of this is rocket science. It is, however, kookiness to the nth degree. I think half the people in this country do think like Cheney. I have a friend in the restaurant supply business - he now spends over 900.00 a month on gas for his large SUV, but, HE DOESN'T EVEN carry samples - he just wants to drive an SUV! I told him I won't listen to anymore whining. Shut up, or buy a diesel VW or similar. Not all Americans are Bush/Cheney clones. We just have to get our act together. -Mike Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: <rant> What do you expect from an oil man puppet. It is pretty sad when he is not even aware that grid-tied solar and net metering have been around for a few years now. On a 'positive' note...at least he "sees" a positive trend in his imagination. Yes, it is disgusting the energy gluttony that exists in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world and it doesn't have to be that way. "Darth" Cheney stated a few years ago that energy conservation may be a personal virtue but is not the basis for a sound energy policy. Well, coming from Mr Haliburton, that is no surprise. A white house spokesperson (Ari Fleicher) when asked by a reporter if the president would consider increasing energy efficiency, improved fuel efficiency for vehicles and more sustainable development for America...in light of the fact that the U.S. uses so much energy compared to the rest of the world replied..."That's a big no. The president believes that it is the American way" (being energy hogs to support Mc mansions, Hummers, SUV's and an out of control unsustainable lifestyle) Nothing has changed with the new energy (pork) bill. No incentives for increased fuel efficiency and gazillions for big oil. Crumbs and lip service for alt. energy and an alledged hydrogen economy based on natural gas cracking and nuclear production of hydrogen that will still be controlled by big corps. The other energy bill package passed last week, doles out even more goodies to the dino dealers. He is basically giving the green light to oil and coal concerns to drill where they want and pollute as much as they need to get more dirty energy...environmental and health concerns be damned. Mean while cutting programs and funding for food stamp programs for the less fortunate, lunch programs for poor school children, health benefits for firemen who have become sick from working at ground zero (911), after school programs for poor children....the list goes on and on and on and on. Oh, I forgot.. he also intends to cut geothermal, renewable energy and solar energy programs from the DOE to continue to pay for the war and rebuilding New Orleans. Meanwhile he is adding further cuts to the army core of engineers for wet land reabilitation and flood controls, in addition to the previous cuts that he made a couple of years ago even though he was warned that levys and anti flooding measures needed to be urgently upgraded. The "preverbial angry white men" better get a grip on reality because it's not a pretty picture for us, our children and future generations. </rant>some further reading...pretty scary The Heat Death of American Dreams < http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/25351/ > regards tallex-------Original Message------- From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Imagine if we could invent grid tied PV systems Sent: 14 Oct '05 15:31 Voter turnout is key. Unfourtunately, a large pergentage of thoseturning out are the proverbial "angry white male (or person)" who wishto preserve the unsustainable status quo. That and the fact that theDemocrats have been in disarray for years doesn't help. I did hear an interesting comment form an older acquiantance, whopointed out that he'd heard all the doom and gloom in the 70's, andthen, it didn't happen. OPEC collapsed and energy prices went down. Alot of people think this is the same. A blip. Even so, that does notaddress the issues of global warming, basic energy inequality, the US, with not even 10% of the globalpoplation consumes at least 25 - 30 % of the oil. Mostly to sustainlife on a scale unimaginable for the rest of the world. I've spent enough time in the 3rd world to know the race is not for abigger car or house, but for water, food, cooking energy and shelter. In rural Africa it is not unusual to spent an hour or 2 just gettingwater, then scrounging an already deforested land for fuel, thencooking an incredibly time-consuming meal. Making Fonio inGuinee/Senegal takes forever. Moreover, here outside of DC where I live, you are a nut if youpractice energy-concious living. Everone in my cul de sac, with theexception of a Puerto Rican family, howl at the use of a wood stove,complain about even storing firewood, and have actually complainedabout my "SUV" an old Trooper, which I use in my business. I keep itbecause it is about the only 4 cylinder 5sp truck of any size you canget. Now they are all V6-V8 automatics. It's slow, but it gets goodmileage, and can haul a lot. But it is old. I only wish I could finda Diesel model, but they are rare as hen's teeth. I also only drive itto collect WVO, work supplies and to get firewood (hence the 4 wheeldrive. Otherwise I drive a VW Golf, mostly on homebrew. I'm a kook. I can't wait to see what happens when I set up some solar heating and aPV panels! The Civic League will attack! Viva la revolution! Comrade Miguel. Hakan Falk wrote: Ken,That is great, I was afraid that more than half were idiots,but the good news is that it was only one quarter. No wonderthat Bush want to export this "democracy". So democracy,which is Greek for "rule by the people", is now "rule by aquarter of the people". "The American way of life" is inreality "minority rule" by white white collar people andmaybe a few black white collar ones also. LOLHakanAt 15:09 14/10/2005, you wrote: On 10/13/05, Hakan Falk [LINK: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is not his fault, he is a mirror of the people who votedfor him. The law of smallest (read dumbest) commondenominator. This make George a genius among thepeople who voted for him, more than half of the USpopulation. LOL Not to pick nits over this, Hakan but, just over half of the eligibleU.S. population *voted*. Of them 51 or 52% voted for Bush. 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