I'm putting on my gardening sweater now. Some of my neighbors are fine - one guy across the street ran into the local Gestapo when he built an addition. He prevailed, but they all whined and carried on. He's always quite pleasant, if fact, if he's having an outdoor shindig he'll politely ask he if I can chainsaw later, and I always do. HE gets fresh vegetables from my garden, AND gets use of all my tools. In fact, I went and dropped a tree for him - no charge.
Next door neighbor (with an illegal business out of her house) came over to order me to stop running the woodstove. I did re-do the chimney with a professional sweep so that there's virtually no fly ash, but no, she doesn't like the smell. I don't much care for the smell of her 8 limo's idling but not much I can do about it. I downloaded and read the municipal code. I built my shed to fit the specs - it's actually quite large, and legal. It just doesn't have poured footings - I used concrete blocks sunk in the ground. Perfectly sturdy. They complain all the time, but the code enforcement guy just rolls his eyes at them and sends back his report "no violations found." The parking person usually just calls and I tell him everything is fine. There's one in every crowd! E. C. wrote: > ahhh .. Mr. Rogers w/attitude .. can I be your > neighbor? I live in W's brother's fiefdom now .. > don't mind the sound of an axe, want a garden - and a > field of switchgrass, maybe .. be glad to share the > produce! > room for a wind turbine, andsome PV technology would > be nice, too :-) > > --- Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>viz straight represetative democracy - be careful >>what you wish for. If >>Saudi Arabia had a pure representational system >>they'd wind up with a >>far more radical Wahab state. Look at California's >>referendum system - >>it's out of control. It's created an ungovernable >>state. Looks at >>Arizona's "you pay no school taxes if you're over a >>certain age" >>measure. Great - I got my free education the hell >>with you. Just keep >>paying my social security. >> >>Presumably we elect leaders to make decision in the >>best interest of the >>governed. I don't know that the founders ever >>expected the voters to be >>so apathetic and so easily fooled. >> >>And no, I don't think ANY of my neighbors would give >>up ANYTHING so that >>others might have a bit more. In fact, I'm amazed >>at the lengths they >>will go to to try to make me comply with their >>notion of what's proper. >>No woodstoves >>No older cars (yes, it looks fine, it's just an '89) >>Quotes: "That garden really looks out of place - >>you're not going to do >>that every year, are you?" Yes, I am. >>"I wish you'd get rid of that woodpile, and it's >>noisy when you split >>wood." Awww >>the list goes on... >> >> >>Zeke Yewdall wrote: >> >>>What if we had a voting sytem like American Idol, >> >>where people can >> >>>text message their votes every night.... Sort of >> >>scary. But is it >> >>>scarier to think of a democracy where the average >> >>person could vote on >> >>>each issue, or one where as many people follow TV >> >>shows as care about >> >>>their actual government.... >>> >>>On 10/27/05, Joe Street >> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>>Well time for a new thread I guess cause we are a >> >>long way off topic. I >> >>>>think you are right Zeke it's hard not to draw >> >>certain conclusions about the >> >>>>people who put these monsters in office. The >> >>problem is it's like going >> >>>>shopping. You think you have choice but then you >> >>find out your money goes >> >>>>to the same people at the top regardless of the >> >>choices you thought you >> >>>>made. The real problem is that the american >> >>lifestyle is not negotiable. >> >>>>How many here would willingly give up a bunch of >> >>affluence and convenience >> >>>>so that things might be a little more even in the >> >>world? Most of them are >> >>>>too busy trying to catch the carrot on a stick. >> >>Even when the government >> >>>>gives aid don't the farmers and shipping companies >> >>expect to be paid >> >>>>handsomley in the deal? So what really is the >> >>will of it's people that the >> >>>>government should reflect? Or is it really >> >>already doing that but in a way >> >>>>that upsets people but is really the only way left >> >>to maintain it? The oil >> >>>>is necessary to maintain the american lifestyle. >> >>Control of world economy >> >>>>is ideal to this plan even if it means doing dirty >> >>things that aren't right. >> >>>>People are told they have democracy and they >> >>believe it but as you said >> >>>>voting once every four years is hardly democratic. >> >> Representative >> >>>>governance works for the rich and hopefully they >> >>can take everyone along for >> >>>>the ride (because they need them). Boy they must >> >>have some real belly >> >>>>laughs in private when they think about the common >> >>man and the illusion of >> >>>>freedom and democracy. I wonder what things would >> >>look like if we had a real >> >>>>democratic system. If every important decision >> >>was put to a vote, sure it >> >>>>would slow things down but hell a lot of people I >> >>talk to seem to think >> >>>>things are 'progressing' -and I hate to use that >> >>term, too quickly anyways. >> >>>>Surely electronic voting could make a system of >> >>national (and god forbid >> >>>>should I be so bold as to >> >>suggest....international) referendum possible. I >> >>>>know that only a tiny fraction of the world is on >> >>the web in terms of it's >> >>>>population but that does not mean that people >> >>could not have acces to a >> >>>>voting terminal. That must be a very scary >> >>thought. >> >>>>Joe >>>> >>>>Zeke Yewdall wrote: >>>> >>>>Sometimes I wonder if the rest of the world >> >>understands that all >> >>>>americans don't support GW and his policies >> >>though... After all, we >> >>>>claim to be a democracy, so therefore, shouldn't >> >>the government by >> >>>>nature reflect the will of it's people. >>>> >>>>In reality, only my congressional representative >> >>actualy represents >> >>>>me, but neither of my senators does, nor my >> >>president or vice >> >>>>president. I actually voted, but I effectively >> >>have almost no vote in >> >>>>our government. Our system is set up for rule by a >> >>very narrow >> >>>>majority with no effective minority voice. But if >> >>you listen to our >> >>>>rhetoric abroad, it's easy to forget this. >>>> >>>>Zeke >>>> >>>>On 10/26/05, Michael Redler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>wrote: >> >>>> >>>>"It seems you are intent on grouping all >> >>Americans as one." >> >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes, It looks that way, doesn't it? So, I will >> >>explain. >> >>>> >>>> >>>>Usually, I try not to generalize because it leaves >> >>out a lot of information >> >>>>and can be manipulated to align itself with a >> >>particular agenda. However, on >> >>>>those occasions when I say "Americans" (my >> >>apologies to Canadians and others >> >>>>living on this hemisphere) or US citizens in >> >>general, I'm pointing toward a >> >>>>trend. The references I give below, are what I use >> >>to at least partly back >> >>>>up my position on those trends. Now, although the >> >>argument I give is my own, >> >>>>I find others who agree (some of them are my >> >>neighbors). >> >>>> >>>> >>>>"...I went to war for this country and would do it >> >>over, for the right >> >>>>reasons..." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The fact that there are soldiers who are duty >> >>bound and fighting honorably >> >>>>in a war is not the reason for the arrival of one >> >>to three hundred thousand >> >>>>protesters in Washington DC on September 24th. It >> >>is the horribly convoluted >> >>>>reason for war which is so disturbing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"All I can do is try in my own way to change >> >>things for the better." >> >>>> >>>> >>>>The US as a whole is showing symptoms of fascism. >> >>If I, as you say, "group >> >>>>all Americans as one", please prove me wrong and >> >>resist the simple >> >>>>perception of our culture which hides our dark >> >>little secrets and makes >> >>>>hypocrites out of our government each time they go >> >>to preach democracy to >> >>>>another sovereign nation. Our government needs to >> >>"play nice with others" >> >>>>and work toward being a participant in a World >> >>community instead of further >> >>>>construction of it's empire. >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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