Hello Doug >Hi all, >It takes here up to 4 hours online to update an anti virus and thus >protection from would be hackers or just game players with zilch to >do. To update I need to select one update at a time as the server >may go off within 30 minutes and thus I would have lost all if I had >selected all downloads at once. Yes we have a server problem, this >we can do nothing about given the country and conditions. > >Takes me a "Journey to forever" to even locate a site let alone down >load or read, if I read articles online the server drops out, such >we start again, this truly is a never ending journey.
You're not the only one, and all the folks with broadband just aren't aware of it. But on the other hand, why should they be? We don't have broadband either. People have to struggle along with poor connections, but they manage somehow. >To this end, so far I have available quantities of Jotropha of the >toxic variety. I can plant these on "Raped" hillsides to stop >erosion and start terraced rice or other agricultural farms. I have >a home made press for oil extraction and using large drums to make >ethanol. Have run several batches so far so good with drying in lime. You've had success extracting jatrtopha oil with a homemade press? And with making biodiesel out of it with ethanol made in drums? >Have farm tractors running on the filtered Jatropha oil with no >other treatment just press the oil, filter it and then straight into >the fuel tank of the engine. Works fine on them. > >However, I do need help here from you that have done this before. >What I DO NOT want is to introduce mass growing of a seed if it is >going to be found toxic when there is one that is non-toxic. I would >much rather not kill off the people but continue with humanity in >harmony with nature without being an extreme radical or a purist or >any other such thing/name. I need help in locating a non toxic >Jatropha seed that has the same or similar characteristics of the >ones already in production here since the French introduced them for >lamp oil a hundred years or so ago. > >The land has much erosion, the Mekong water level fluctuates daily >in the wet season, this indicating less retention or quicker water >run-off due to lack of substantial ground cover. No need for details >as it is more likely in archives on every green web-site >mentionable. To stop the top soils and thus the Mekong river mud >color, stability and longer run-off periods are needed. This will >not happen unless there are steps taken to cover the very many bare >hillsides that have been used for slash and burn agricultural >practices. I am no spring chicken and as such don't want to go about >inventing the wheel again. There is no, as said before, silver >bullet. I think in this case here there just might be such a bullet, >to stop the erosion, give subsistence slash and burn farmers an >income and better crop yields and slow down the amount of mud thus >slightly changing the water color of the 10th largest river in the >world. With all due respect Doug, it's not news here, we've probably discussed the other nine and the next 10 too. You're not the only one who's on a mission either, a lot of people here are. The list itself is. As far as silver bullets are concerned, you've hardly scratched the surface of possible crops that could do that job, and other jobs. Nobody has really, but the plant databases linked from the JtF website, James Duke's "Handbook of Energy Crops", the list archives, the Overstory, the search engines will turn up a lot of candidates and a lot of information on many of them. Other list members have been through this too, working in the same region as you, and found good solutions. You shouldn't be thinking of a single crop anyway, mixed trees will inevitably be better, in many ways. >So far no one has been able to satisfy the Jatropha issue in >straight language that is not going to take "a journey to forever" >to download and read, Prakash Chhagani offered to get you non-toxic seeds in India. I'm sure the jatropha sites Balaji directed you to would lead you to non-toxic seeds. I think the advice you got to do a Google search would work. I think if you're able to use this mailing list at all, as you are, then you're able to find this information, despite your access difficulties. Best wishes Keith >as every 30 minutes or so the server drops off line then I need to >start the search again I will not get there in this life time. Took >17 goes to get my e-mail downloaded this morning, some coming in >more than triplicate due to being logged off and on. > >I am way too far out of town at this stage for any wireless >connection so am stuck with a very old server that will not send to >AOL or OZEMAIL and others due to the servers age. This is not in my >hands to even consider doing anything to improve. On the up side, >this is still better than the postal service systems around the >world so in essence this is not a complaint but an indication of a >difficulty probably experienced by more than this country. > >Best to all. >Doug----- Original Message ----- > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Keith Addison >To: <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha > >*********************** >No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > >Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. >***********-*********** > > >Hello JQ > >I think you're having probs with your mail scanner. > > >Here's what Germany is doing with Jatropha Curcas. Please see: > ><<http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=367>MailScanner>ht >tp://www.ecoworld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=367>MailScanner has > >detected a possible fraud attempt from >"<http://www.ecoworld.com>www.ecoworld.com" claiming > >to be ><<http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=367>http://www.ecowor >ld.com/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=367> and > ><<http://www.d1plc.com>MailScanner>http://www.d1plc.com>MailScanner >has detected a possible fraud > >attempt from "<http://www.d1plc.com>www.d1plc.com" claiming to be ><<http://www.d1plc.com>http://www.d1plc.com> > > > >I've purchased Jatropha seeds and will be attempting to sprout them > >in the Spring. Waste fryer oil is becoming scarce. The two most > >sustainable biodiesel feed stocks are: > > 1. Micro algae > > 2. Jatropha Curcas. > >What a strange idea of sustainability, especially since nobody's >actually been able to find any biodiesel made from micro-algae yet, >other than all the pie-in-the-sky, and some reports from India and >elsewhere on jatropha have been far fmk favourable. > >As Mike Weaver just said, "Iraq, Algae - it's all the same to me", >and to me too pretty much. Whether invading Iraq or dreaming about >algae yields, what's mostly a path of denial because of a >drug-addiction problem (gotta guzzle) is unlikely to lead to a >glorious future for evermore, which is what sustainable is supposed >to mean. > >I'm beginning to think people either get it or they don't, and that >if they don't they won't (or is it the other way round?), but there's >this, once again: > >How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take? ><http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch>http://journeytofor >ever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch > >Best wishes > >Keith > > > >Regards, > >JQ > >Cave Creek, Aridzona > >lres1 wrote: > > > >>Hello all, > >>Am in a bit of a quandary as to Jatropha nuts for Bio fuel. > >> > >>I have been advised that the non toxic variety of Jatropha found in > >>Mexico produces no oil for relatively simple processing to bio fuel > >> where that of the toxic variety yields oil. > >> > >>Fable or fallacy? > >> > >>Still have found no place to buy the Mexican seeds, is the above > >>the reason why? > >> > >>Thank you to any one that can help make things fly here without > >>long term damage to the environment but using such plants for land > >>stability, the slowing of land erosion and river bank stability as > >>well as for banks for rice terraces and hedges. How much silt does > >>the Mekong river carry each year that could be reduced by such > >>planting? > >> > >>Doug _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
