Mike, Keller's view of communism is atypical for a National Socialist, the Nazi movement was heavily funded and supported by the German industrialists. They viewed National socialism as very positive for the productivity and economy, with Hitler as their man it could be especially profitable for the industry. The whole post is trying to prove that the subject heading is valid and bring forward the parallels with what is happening today in US and the views that are brought forward by the current administration and their industrial supporters. The National Socialism preached lebensraum and superiority, that meant access to resources and growth of the industry, with a suppressed lower working class as a industrial resource. The world leaders were the Germans, they were both physically, intellectually and military superior and the bastion against communism. Before the war, it was strong support of National Socialism in many industrialized countries, something that most of them do their best to forget and historically suppress.
The question is if the US version of National Socialism Triumphs is a reality in USA, as it was in Germany? Personally, I do not belive that US would be able to develop in the same way and that the current education levels in US, are the best defence against it. Even if you can argue that they are both examples of elected democracies in the initial phases. I do not think that US will develop to a dictatorship and I hope that I am right. Hakan At 07:38 23/03/2006, you wrote: >Interesting post BT. I'm just sorry that I don't >have a lot of time to respond to the link titled ><http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/keller5.html>A >Layman's Look at The Communist >Manifesto<http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/keller5.html>. > >"The first chapter of the Manifesto is a >rambling pseudo-history that rails against the >bourgeois as the historically re-incarnated >oppressors vis-à-vis the continually oppressed proletariat." > >If only Ford factory workers knew how good they >had it in the early 20th century. If only people >understood that employers who take advantage of >employees is extremely rare and nothing to be >concerned about, we would have saved a lot of >effort with that whole union thing. > >Here's another: > >"The communists realized that by organizing the >proletariat politically, they could just vote themselves more power." > >If Mr. Keller wants to comment on the Manifesto, >he should get a grip on what's being said >(irrespective of whether or not he subscribes to >it). Anyone who has read and understood the >document also knows that the party and the >people are one and the same. This comment makes him look like a fool. > >I doubt I'm the only one has something to say about it. > >Mike > > > >BT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >http://www.bigeye.com/losingit.htm >Below is a brief excerpt from Mr. Gore Vidal's >recent book, Inventing a Nation Yale University >Press 2003, p30-31, referring to comments made >to America's 1787 Constitutional Convention by >the nation's great universal man, Benjamin Franklin: >"At eighty-one Franklin was too feeble to >address the convention on its handiwork, and so >a friend read for him the following words: 'I >agree to this Constitution with all its faults, >if they are such: because I think a General >Government necessary for us, and there is no >Form of Government but which may be a Blessing >to the People if well administered; and I >believe further that this is likely to b! e well >administered for a Course of Years and can only >end in Despotism as other Forms have done before >it, when the People shall become so currupted as >to need a Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.' > >Now, two centuries and sixteen years later, >Franklin's blunt dark prophecy has come true: >popular corruption has indeed given birth to >that ><http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761560927/National_Socialism.html>Despotic > >Government which he foresaw as inevitable at our birth..." > > > >National Socialism Triumphs in USA > > > > ><http://www.patriotamerica.com/News%20Items/RISE%20OF%20THE%20FOURTH%20REICH.htm>Rise > >of the Fourth Reich >"Watch the pincer movement. If you're sick of >one version, we push you into the other. We get >you coming and going. We've closed the doors. >We've fixed the coin. Headscollectivism, and >tailscollectivism. Fight the doctrine which >slaughters the individual with a doctrine which >slaughters the individual. Give up your soul to >a councilor give it up to a leader. But give it >up, give it up, give it up. ... Offer poison as >food and poison as antidote. Go fancy on the >trimmings, but hang on to the main objective. >Give the fools a choice, let them have their >funbut don't forget the only purpose you have >to accomplish. Kill the individual. Kill man's >soul. The rest will follow automatically." >Ellsworth Toohey in The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand. > ><http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0301001h.html>'It >Can't Happen Here' by Sinclair Lewis, 1934 (online edition) > ><http://www.bigeye.com/fc122605.htm>Big Brother >is Watching and Listening to You > ><http://www.bigeye.com/america_or_germany_in_1930.htm>America >or Germany in the 1930's? > ><http://mvp-seattle.com/pages/pageFascism.htm>12 Warning Signs of Fascism > ><http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/keller5.html>A >Layman's Look at The Communist >Manifesto<http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/keller5.html>. > ><http://www.helenair.com/articles/2005/06/01/opinions/a04060105_02.txt>It >wasn't a very happy holiday > ><http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=5070>A >Fascist America - How close are we? > ><http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm>Wake up and smel! l the fascism > ><http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/942>Gott >mit >uns<http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/942>: >On Bush and Hitlers rhetoric > ><http://english.pravda.ru/columnists/2002/02/18/26452.html>The >Emergence of the Fascist American Theocratic State > ><http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm>The >U.S. Patriot Act and Hitler's >Ermächtigungsgesetz<http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm> >(Enabling Act) > ><http://www.bigeye.com/policestate.htm>Congressman Ron Paul's speeches > ><http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index575.htm>Your papers, please... > ><http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0902-08.htm>Brownshirts Dressed in Blue? > ><http://www.bigeye.com/naziecho.htm>Echos of Nazi Propaganda & Policies > ><http://www.bigeye.com/amernazi.htm>The Nazi Mind-Set in America > ><http://globalresearch.ca/articles/TUR409A.html>Camps >for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision > ><http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/GoebbelsAndMiller.htm>Goebbels >Rallies the People > ><http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_reichstag.html>The 9/11 Reichstag Fire > ><http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html>The CIA's Worst-Kept Secret > ><http://www.spiritone.com/%7Egdy52150/noon.html>The Nazi Hydra in America > ><http://www.bigeye.com/skolnick.htm>The Overthrow of the American Republic > ><http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/dreamweaver/bannedbks/censorbushbashers.html>The > >Secret Service now our own home-grown "SS" > ><http://www.bigeye.com/madness.htm>A little American History lesson > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
