"The swastika was also used as an early symbol by the Boy Scouts in Britain, and worldwide. According to "Johnny" Walker, [3] the earliest Scouting use was on the first Thanks Badge introduced in 1911. Lord Baden-Powell's 1922 Medal of Merit design added a swastika to the Scout fleur-de-lis as good luck to the person receiving the medal. Like Rudyard Kipling, he would have come across this symbol in India. During 1934, many Scouters
requested a change of design because of the use of the swastika by the National Socialist German Workers Party. A new British Medal of Merit was issued in 1935."
Mike
Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is an old old ranch house in the extended family with a Swastika
on one of the walls - it way predates Hitler and I was told it came from
a Native American artist.
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:
>Hallo Mike,
>
>Saturday, 22 April, 2006, 11:14:02, you wrote:
>
>MR> Wow Gustl!
>
>MR> That was quite a comprehensive response. I see logic and reason in
>MR> all of it and I agree with nearly all of it.
>
>Thank you. I try. Sometimes it works and sometimes not, but I do
>try.
>
>MR> You mentioned Mein Kampf. To my knowledge, I had at least one
>MR> distant relative executed by the Nazis (he was German and not
>MR> Jewish) and another who hid a Jew until the end of the war (They
>MR> later married). My strong dislike of Nazism and the ignorance of
>MR> some who wear the hackenkreuz without fully understanding what it
>MR> means, is very disturbing. I only read the first 300 pages of the
>MR> book (my paperback copy) before losing interest and becoming
>MR> disgusted with the 600+ page rant which (IMO) just recycled the
>MR> same crap over and over again. Jews, Czechs, Poles, bla, bla bla.
>MR> He hated everyone!
>
>This is something we could spend a long time on but it isn't worth the
>trouble. I personally have a strong dislike of all governments while
>understanding the need for them given our evolution as a society
>(worldwide, not just the US). Hitler certainly had a lot more to say
>about the Slavs than he did of the Jews and held a lot more hate for
>the Slavs. If the notion ever strikes you read a lot of Mircea
>Eliade, Joseph Cambell, Carl Jung and some Heinrich Zimmer just for
>drill and then keeping what you have learned in mind find and read
>"The Young Hitler I Knew" by August Kubizek and then re-read Mein
>Kampf and see what you come up with. I think you will be surprised
>how differently you look at things, but perhaps not. It won't justify
>Hitler and what he did but it will give you an understanding of how
>his mind worked and why he did what he did if you can remain
>dispassionate which is not easy to do.
>
>And a note about the swastika. It has been a positive religious
>symbol for millenia and it is a shame that we in the west have let the
>misuse of this symbol taint our way of thinking about it. It is still
>in wide use in the east as a respected religious symbol and it pops up
>in places one would not think it would be if their only experience
>with it is during the Hitlerzeit. There is a swastika border around
>the walls of the supreme court and there are swastikas in ancient
>temples in Israel. The swastika is the innocent victim of willful
>misuse and should not suffer because of that. It was also the first
>Christian symbol called the crux gammada and it symbolized the
>trinity.
>
>MR> You wrote: "The United States cannot be compared to post WWI
>MR> Germany in any way."
>
>MR> ...in any way? I think that the Weimar Republic was an early
>MR> redistribution of power for which the powerful (or those with
>MR> ambitions of being powerful) did not stand. Although the events at
>MR> the end of the Weimar republic does not exactly match our own, the
>MR> US government actively seeks ways to keep down public
>MR> participation in a true democracy. I concede that the similarities
>MR> end there.
>
>I believe I will stick by my statement for the most part. All
>governments do what you suggest. I have no argument there. But I would
>compare the Weimar Republic more to the situation of and government of
>Iraq. It was/is an imposed system from a foreign conqueror in both
>cases. Germany had the Kaiser and Iraq Sadaam and both had just lost a
>war. Just as in post war Germany there are warring factions which like
>neither the government nor each other and there is civil strife and
>unrest and war. We will have to hide and watch to see if Iraq ends up
>like Weimar.
>
>Good talking with you brother. Again, I apologize for the necessity
>of my late reply.
>
>Happy Happy,
>
>Gustl
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