Hello Ryan > I'm building the processsor and running test batches >simultaniously so I can shift to large scale as fast as possible.
You said you started the wrong way round: >Which is demonstrated by the fact that I have my processor just >about build and haven't done a single small batch yet...I'm a rookie. Well, that's what you said, we said it was the wrong way round: "Where do I start? -- Start with the process, NOT with the processor. The processor comes later." http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start "When you're confident that you can get good results every time, even using oil from different sources, then it's time to scale up the process to provide your fuel needs. Now that you have a feel for the process and know what to expect, you'll have a much better idea of what sort of processor you want than if you'd started off building the processor (as many do) rather than learning the process first." http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#moving >I can't reclaim my investment with small batches. Your investment? I'm quite interested in that, just at the moment. People are always asking about costs. What are you costing in your investment? The cost of the processor, let's see, that was only two 60-litre batches, it took two days, or a few hours over a couple of days. Building it took much longer, I'd never built such a thing before, and figuring it all out first took even longer. But I'd learned really a lot from people here on the list and I got that for nothing, so I don't know how to cost it. The processor works very well though and now lots of people have built them, and they also got it for nothing. If you took an eco-economist's view (which we'll all have to take in the end), economics that can tell a sword from a plowshare, you'd have to add all that in too somehow to be realistic about the costs. I think that means I must be rich by now because of the free processor and so on, and I'm not the only one. But if you take a money economist's view, the prevailing one, sad to say, which indeed can't tell a sword from a plowshare, it means I'm as poor as a churchmouse, and that's the truth of it. Obviously I'm not too good at costings, and I end up completely confused about how a person would go about getting their investment back. Well, no need to be so complicated about it, but it's worth a thought. Do you cost your time? What do you include? That was about two months ago you said you're a rookie. Do you include all the development time in the meantime? Would that be just time spent making test batches, finding and getting materials and so on? How about the learning curve, would you cost the time that takes? Time spent here, for instance, or at the JtF website Biodiesel section. If you do cost it, do you think we should cost it too, the ones who provide it all in various ways, including many list members, which could end up including you? Where do you draw the line? I'd appreciate your opinion, and any others too. > And it was only the first batch that I felt the (unnecessary) need >to reprocess that I had problems with. The one following that just >took a little extra washing (7 instead of 3-4) and the last one >turned out absolutely perfectly. I put the sum of the second two >batches in my truck yesterday morning; all 0.4 gallons (~1.5L)! But >it was $1.18 I didn't have to spent at the pump! What will you do with the $1.18? > This weekend; my first WVO test batches. Hooray! Good luck. Best Keith > Ryan > > >>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] more canada biofuels >>Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 05:07:47 +0900 >> >> >I bought my processor assembly kit from there. He can assemble >> >plumbing fitting kits for less than I can buy the fittings for. >> > >> > Ryan >> >>But you're still having problems with test batches aren't you Ryan? >>Bit early to be messing with processor. >> >>We used recycled plumbing fittings, didn't cost anything. >> >>Best >> >>Keith >> >> >> >>From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] more canada biofuels >> >>Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 04:37:36 +0900 >> >> >> >>Hi Jesse >> >> >> >> >Anyone seen this? Thoughts? Jesse >> >> > >> >> >http://www.diyfuel.com/ca/ >> >> >> >>Yeah, it's the guy in the US who has Darryl Hannah on his site. >> >> >> >>I like this bit here: >> >> >> >>http://www.diyfuel.com/index.php?cPath=34 >> >> >> >>"Biodiesel facts", with the whole section lifted straight from >> >>Journey to Forever. He says so, and puts it on a link that says: >> >>"www.journeytoforever.org", which is wrong, it should be >> >>journeytoforever.org, no www - it would work anyway, but instead of >> >>linking to JtF it links to the NBB: >> >>http://www.biodiesel.org/news/bulletin/1998/0498.pdf >> >> >> >>"The page cannot be found". >> >> >> >>LOL! >> >> >> >>You have to pick and choose. Some good stuff, lots of junk too, and >> >>he doesn't tell you which is which. He's okay, but you need to get >> >>good info elsewhere first. Sells Crappleseeds, still with the same >> >>old pump that's too small, and they're not cheap, but at least >> >>they're not FuelMeisters. Build yer own. >> >> >> >>Best >> >> >> >>Keith _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
