Redler, I think you owe me a refund. I'm sending your pdf's back. Keith Addison wrote:
>Just to add, I wouldn't want anybody to generate any pdf files from >the material at JtF, whether for sale or for non-sale or for anything. > >JtF is not public property, and there's not much about it that's >haphazard and unplanned. It's not Biofuel list property either. > >It's not because we haven't considered it that pdf's and print >versions are not for sale and not available. > >Different media of delivery have different effects, and the >differences are important even if not very many people notice it. You >use the right ones for the job. > >We'd perhaps use pdf's for a different job, but then it wouldn't just >be website material dumped into Acrobat as-is, it would mean a >complete makeover, of a large amount of material. Then again, >obviously we'd make them available for download at the JtF website, >that's where people who want the information go anyway. > >I wouldn't consider changing our strategy on this (nor anything) for >the sake of a few mosquitoes biting people at ebay, not even if they >were biting us too (but they're not biting us). > >JtF isn't broken, please don't fix it. > >Thanks again for all the suggestions. > >Best > >Keith > > > > > >>Hi Chris, and all who replied, thankyou... >> >> >> >>>Keith Addison wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF >>>>website on eBay. He's not the only one. >>>> >>>>Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but >>>>it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much >>>>complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a >>>>lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He >>>>doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to >>>>chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, >>>>especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, >>>>but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Have you considered a very easy way of stopping this? >>>Just compile a pdf of all the information and put it up on ebay as a >>>buy it now for something like $0.01. Offer it via email and donate >>>the proceeds to a charity! This would stop people profiting off of >>>other peoples concerns for the environment. Only problem is who >>>would distribute it! Maybe you could put on your paypal preferences >>>a link to where it can be downloaded? when someone buys it they will >>>recieve the invoive and have the link there. Or why not place a >>>number of ads on ebay quoting the site where it can be downloaded >>>free? Noone needs to buy the item because the info is given away >>>freely. I would happily list the item is someone wants to generate a >>>pdf file. >>> >>>Chris.. >>> >>> >>... but I don't really want to stop it. It's not bothering us. The >>main reason I posted it is in case any other list members have >>resources that the guy's selling. It happens all the time, I just got >>another complaint about someone called "velvet_fist" doing the same >>thing with JtF stuff at eBay. I think it's a general Internet >>phenomenon, it won't go away even if the individuals responsible are >>stopped. Like crime. It's not the only phenomenon at work though, >>what's the overall effect? >> >>Maybe I just have a slightly different attitude to pests. >>Everything's organically grown round here, even websites and mailing >>lists, and fighting pests isn't the best way to do it. They're not >>pests unless they do you damage. If they are doing you damage it's >>not an eradication problem, it's a management problem, and in effect >>the pests are telling you where the problem lies. Without them you >>wouldn't know it. >> >>Maybe that all sounds a little idealistic, but it works. Not only >>that, nothing else works. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Best >> >>Keith >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
