D. Mindock wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>    I think Weston Price would say to drink raw milk. When
> milk is pastuerized and homogenized, it becomes harmful
> to the body. So those drinking less of the bad milk in the
> Harvard study would actually be better off.
>   Myself, I don't drink milk unless I can get it raw and organic.
>   
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/10/13/food/0_03_1110_12_06.txt

Raw organic milk that sickened California children now OK

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003280686_spinach29m.html

Two children have been sickened in another episode of E. coli infection, 
this time from drinking raw milk from a Whatcom County dairy.

A 5-year-old boy from Issaquah was still hospitalized with the illness 
Thursday, while an 8-year-old girl from Snohomish County was recovering 
at home, said state health officials and a spokeswoman for a store that 
sold the milk.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20061013-01412200-bc-britain-tb.xml
 



  Small TB outbreak traced to raw milk






> Also, even better, is to add kefir culture to it. I think the Hunzas
> drink their milk cultured, not straight up.
> Peace, D. Mindock
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia 
> WasTestimonials as Evidence)
>
>
>   
>> From the can't-help-but-stick-my-toe-in dept.
>>
>> Caveat:  No proof other than what I've read over the years.
>>
>> It has always seemed to me that the maladies that people suffer from are
>> in large part due to environment/lifestyle.  In the third world,
>> disease is far more likely to be as a result of the lack of food and
>> adequate nutrition, wheras in the developed world, we suffer from the
>> diseaeses of affluence:  diabetis being the one that comes to mind,
>> along with obesity-related ailments such as heart disease, high blood
>> pressure, strokes and so on.  Smoking is another factor.
>>
>> Another interesting item, from Harvard University's website:
>>
>> In particular, these studies suggest that high calcium intake doesn't
>> actually appear to lower a person's risk for osteoporosis. For example,
>> in the large Harvard studies of male health professionals and female
>> nurses, individuals who drank one glass of milk (or less) per week were
>> at no greater risk of breaking a hip or forearm than were those who
>> drank two or more glasses per week.(2, 3
>> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium.html#references>)
>> Other studies have found similar results.
>>
>> It is odd human beings are the only animal that develop "a disease" if
>> they don't eat the milk of another species.  Dogs don't need cat milk.
>>
>> bob allen wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Howdy Terry,
>>>
>>> Terry Dyck wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> HI Bob,
>>>>
>>>> The Western world has the highest rate of Cancer, Heart disease, 
>>>> Diabetes,
>>>> Respiratory problems and other ailments in the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> oh really, and your source for these "facts" is?  are the data age
>>> adjusted, etc. and just what "other" ailments are included.  This is the
>>> issue I have with you and others, you make what I feel are overly broad
>>> statements as fact, without  little or no support.  So give me
>>> reference or two so I can draw my own conclusions.
>>>
>>> or how about just statistic at a time to discuss.   How about age
>>> adjusted cancer rates?  (age adjusting is necessary as cancer is
>>> essentially inevitable, the longer you live the more likely you are to
>>> get cancer.
>>>
>>>
>>>   show me the data please.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>>  On the other hand
>>>> there is a valley in the middle of the Himalayan mountains called 
>>>> Hunzaland
>>>> that is an almost disease free area.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> I have heard this canard before.  I googled hunzaland and about the only
>>> thing I got were people hawking their particular "cure"
>>>
>>>                   The Apricot Kernel Anti-Cancer Theory
>>>    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/land_of_hunza.htm
>>>
>>> or how about 160+ year olds
>>> http://www.arthritis-nature-cure.com/people.htm
>>>
>>> do really believe that?  really, you don't think someone could be less
>>> than forthright to make a point about a product the promote?
>>>
>>> or maybe it's the magnetized water
>>> http://www.stopcancer.com/magnetpHFoundation2.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> A pure organic food diet and almost no
>>>> pollution could be the reason for people having good health.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> or it could all be a bunch of hype. How do we know with out better
>>> documentation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob
>>>>> =========================================================
>>>>> The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in
>>>>> moral philosophy; that is,
>>>>> the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness  JKG
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>
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