Yes, what hypocrits. I saw another interview with Gore where he mentioned that "killer co2 sequestering ap" but he went on to infer if we get it right,(it would be)
regards tallex DK> > The Bushies argue that there isn't a global warming problem, and that > America is doing more to address it than any other country. > > Sequestration is a no-brainer. There is no certainty that the CO2 > would remain under water or wherever else it was put. Pumping CO2 into > the deep ocean or underground caverns or whatever would require a > considerable energy input, which means more fossil fuels would need to be > burned per unit of electricity provided, which means electricity would > become much more expensive. Some might argue that this wouldn't > necessarily be a bad thing, but it would also accelerate fossil fuel > depletion. > > > > I have a lot of respect for Al Gore but I saw a video of a talk he > gave, in which he described sequestration as "the killer app", which > was a great disappointment. There are much better ways to reduce > emisssions. > > > Regards > David > -------Original Message------- > From: David Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Coal Plants Bury 'Kyoto' > Sent: 16 Jan '07 13:58 > > Keith Addison wrote: > > KA> President Bush says the U.S. will pursue its own policy of voluntary > KA> carbon reductions and conduct research into technologies like "carbon > KA> sequestration" -- burying CO2 rather than emitting it. > > > The Bushies argue that there isn't a global warming problem, and that > America is doing more to address it than any other country. > > Sequestration is a no-brainer. There is no certainty that the CO2 > would remain under water or wherever else it was put. Pumping CO2 into > the deep ocean or underground caverns or whatever would require a > considerable energy input, which means more fossil fuels would need to be > burned per unit of electricity provided, which means electricity would > become much more expensive. Some might argue that this wouldn't > necessarily be a bad thing, but it would also accelerate fossil fuel > depletion. > > > > I have a lot of respect for Al Gore but I saw a video of a talk he > gave, in which he described sequestration as "the killer app", which > was a great disappointment. There are much better ways to reduce > emisssions. > > > Regards > David > > Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International> > > > > > KA> To do that, > KA> the U.S. Department of Energy hopes to develop new technologies by > KA> 2012 that would economically capture the greenhouse gas before it > KA> leaves the power plant. > > KA> One approach -- called Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC) > KA> technology -- aims to siphon off CO2 before it's sent up the stack. > KA> The largest U.S. power company, American Electric Power in Columbus, > KA> Ohio, plans to build at least one commercial IGCC plant by 2010. > KA> Another coal-burning power company, Cinergy, in Cincinnati, this > KA> month said it also would build an IGCC plant. > > KA> But funding for a key billion-dollar federal IGCC experimental > KA> program called FutureGen is lagging. And unless the U.S. sets a limit > KA> on CO2 emissions that creates a market for carbon-reducing > KA> technology, there is little financial incentive to invest in such > KA> technology, experts say. As a result, the technology appears unlikely > KA> to be deployed in time to make much difference in the coming surge of > KA> power-plant construction. > > KA> Without such technology, the impact on climate by the new coal plants > KA> would be significant, though not entirely unanticipated. They would > KA> boost CO2 emissions from fossil fuels by about 14 percent by 2012, > KA> Schmidt estimates. That's within the 1 to 2 percent annual range for > KA> CO2 growth expected in "high-growth" scenarios put forward by climate > KA> scientists. But it does not fall into the "maximum" scenario they use > KA> to evaluate the worst-case impact of greenhouse gases. > > KA> The power of six > > KA> "The point is that a relatively small number of countries holds the > KA> fate of the planet in their hands in terms of climate change," says > KA> David Hawkins, director of the Natural Resources Defense Council's > KA> climate center. "If the five or six countries building all these > KA> power plants were to come together to develop a strategy for carbon > KA> capture applied to coal, it would be a huge step toward cutting > KA> global warming." > > KA> Energy security is one factor driving the shift. With its 250-year > KA> supply of coal, the U.S. is often called the "Saudi Arabia of coal." > KA> China, with similarly huge reserves, is even planning to convert coal > KA> into synthetic fuel for cars -- even though such processes typically > KA> produce large amounts of greenhouse gases. > > KA> Coal's low price has been a powerful incentive, too. Chinese > KA> authorities are pushing for cleaner power. But gas pipelines in China > KA> aren't fully utilized because of that fuel's higher cost, experts > KA> say. And in the U.S., utility companies are shifting focus from > KA> natural gas to coal instead. > > KA> "There has been an abrupt about-face," says Robert McIlvaine, who > KA> heads his own Northfield, Ill., information company that tracks the > KA> construction of coal power plants globally. "Utilities that would not > KA> consider a coal-fired plant a year or two ago are now moving forward > KA> with coal-fired projects." > > KA> With natural gas prices expected to continue rising, 58 other nations > KA> have 340 new coal-fired plants in various stages of development. They > KA> are expected to go online in a decade or so. Malaysia, Japan, > KA> Indonesia, Thailand, and Turkey are all planning significant new > KA> coal- fired power additions. Germany also plans to build eight coal > KA> plants with 6,000 megawatts capacity. > > KA> But China is the key. "The Chinese will surpass the coal-fired > KA> generating capacity and the CO2 emissions of the U.S. in the next > KA> couple of years," Mr. McIlvaine says. > > KA> Hit by blackouts and power restrictions for 18 months, China has been > KA> scrambling to relieve that pressure. Scores of unauthorized power > KA> projects about which little is known have sprouted nationwide -- > KA> along with hundreds of official projects, McIlvaine says. Because of > KA> this, even careful estimates could be low, both he and Bergesen say. > > KA> "Environmental optimists were assuming the world was going to switch > KA> to gas, but when you're short of gas you use your own coal," says > KA> Philip Andrews-Speed, a China energy expert at the University of > KA> Dundee, in Scotland. "What you're seeing with China and the others is > KA> the cheapness and security of coal just overwhelming the desire to be > KA> clean." > > KA> Copyright 2007 The Christian Science Monitor > > KA> _______________________________________________ > KA> Biofuel mailing list > KA> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > KA> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > KA> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > KA> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > KA> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > KA> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/