arsenic bait so they take it to the queen. If she is gone so is the whole
colony of termites.
Kirk
Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Speaking of termites - any advice for a environmentally benign way to
keep them under control?
-Mike
Keith Addison wrote:
>Hello Wendell
>
>
>
>
>
>> By the way, I seem to recall that termites are the source
>>of 20 percent of the world's methane. I am no entomologist --is
>>there any known benefit to man or beast from termites?
>>If not, let's get 'em!
>>
>>
>
>Right, let's kill them all! Termite-caused global warming has to be
>stopped in its tracks. There can't be anything important about
>termites anyway, I mean they only produce 20% of the world's methane
>after all, and only about two-thirds of the world's dead plants go
>through termites in the organic matter cycle, obviously they're
>totally useless to man and beast. Anyway, if we can wipe them out and
>lose that methane maybe we can go right on guzzle-guzzle-guzzling for
>a few days or weeks longer before we hit Cold Turkey time on the
>fossil fuels. What do you think we should use, DDT or malathion?
>
>What about the methane from wild ruminants, you forgot about them -
>there are millions and millions of antelope and wildebees in the
>Serengeti for instance, if we don't go right in there and kill them
>they'll just go right on farting.
>
>Same applies to all these useless creatures, if they can't live
>without being so irresponsible then they just have to go.
>
>Nature knows best, and if Nature was capable of making these
>decisions for herself she wouldn't have given us brains to do it for
>her, right?
>
>Best
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Wendell
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Keith Addison
>>>Date: 2007/03/02 Fri AM 04:13:55 CST
>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Terry
>>>
>>>Thanks for finding the ref.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Keith,
>>>>
>>>>You asked for a link to the the UCS quote. It was from the Green
>>>>Issue of the Vancouver Sun newspaper in Nov. (Vancouver, BC, Can.)
>>>>The actual quote was, Methane produced by waste on cattle and hog
>>>>farms is as hard on the atmospher as 33 million cars. 18% of total
>>>>global emissions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>But 33 million cars is only about 15% of the number of vehicles in
>>>the US, let alone globally, how can that equal 18% of global
>>>emissions?
>>>
>>>"Cattle and hog farms" means CAFOs, not farms, or at least in the
>>>vast majority of cases. I don't think that's the same as what you
>>>said, "the total of all livestock on this planet".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a paltry
>>>>>33 million cars' worth of GHGs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I still think that. The claim of 18% of global emissions from CAFOs
>>>doesn't sound unreasonable, but the cars bit can't be right, seems to
>>>me.
>>>
>>>Thanks Terry.
>>>
>>>Best
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Terry Dyck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Keith Addison
>>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>>>>>Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello Terry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Kirk,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If all of us did what we should be doing our houses would be one
>>>>>>room heated with Geo Thermal, hot water and electricity by solar and
>>>>>>we would walk or bike almost everywere
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>This:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>and we would be totally Vegan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>... is nonsense, as we've established quite thoroughly many times.
>>>>>Please go to the archives and check it out.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no way of raising crops sustainably without using livestock
>>>>>in the production system. No vegetarian farming system has ever
>>>>>survived the test of time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please don't argue about it until you've checked it out, no need to
>>>>>go over the same old ground yet another time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Union of Concerned Scientists reports that because of the amount
>>>>>>of Methane gas caused from feed lots, etc. that the total of all
>>>>>>livestock on this planet is equivalent to taking 33 million cars of
>>>>>>the road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>"Feed lots, etc"? What does the "etc" mean?
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure the amount of GHGs emitted by trees etc is even worse,
>>>>>should we cut them all down too?
>>>>>
>>>>>"Do trees share blame for global warming?"
>>>>>http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0119/p13s01-sten.html
>>>>>"Globally, living plants may contribute from 10 to 30 percent of
>>>>>global methane emissions."
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't seen the UCS report you mention, would you give us a
>>>>>reference or a link please?
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway you're talking about feedlots, CAFOs, Confined Animal Feeding
>>>>>Operations, industrialised factory farms. No CAFOs no meat? That's
>>>>>the same mistake enviros make when they attack fuel ethanol because
>>>>>they don't like Archer Daniel Midlands and Cargill. There are other
>>>>>ways of doing things, as we ought to know by now.
>>>>>
>>>>>There've been a number of high-profile critiques of industrial meat
>>>>>production and global warming, this is the main one:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm
>>>>>Livestock's long shadow - Environmental issues and options
>>>>>Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
>>>>>
>>>>>Feedlot cattle, pigs and poultry eat industrialised grain, produced
>>>>>with high dependence on fossil-fuel inputs and at high environmental
>>>>>cost, and the same applies to the CAFO livestock production system
>>>>>itself. Check out how carbon-neutral industrialised grain turns out
>>>>>to be. Pastured livestock eat forage.
>>>>>
>>>>>With CAFOs most of the methane emissions result from the manure
>>>>>storage, especially in with pigs. With pastured livestock, especially
>>>>>with rotational pasture, the manure provides the soil fertility to
>>>>>produce multiple following crops, displaces the need for fossil-fuel
>>>>>based chemical fertilisers, and does so at a healthy profit. Such
>>>>>pasture soils sequester very large amounts of carbon.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a paltry
>>>>>33 million cars' worth of GHGs. Well so what, it doesn't have any
>>>>>future anyway, any more than the rest of the industrial agriculture
>>>>>disaster does. It's fossil-fuel dependent every step of the way, and
>>>>>measured in food miles that comes to a hell of a long way. It'll bust
>>>>>all their bottom-lines when carbon accounting starts hitting the
>>>>>global trade it depends on, the insane distribution system, the
>>>>>processing. Apart from all of which CAFOs have become a major
>>>>>bio-hazard.
>>>>>
>>>>>No need for it anyway. The future is small, sustainable, family-run
>>>>>mixed farms with integrated crop and livestock production, low input,
>>>>>high output, local markets.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best
>>>>>
>>>>>Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Terry Dyck
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Kirk McLoren
>>>>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>>>>>>>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>would do it.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>So how true is it - at least to him.
>>>>>>>If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont.
>>>>>>>So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is on the
>>>>>>>board of directors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kirk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom Irwin wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Kirk and all,
>>>>>>>When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok,
>>>>>>>so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but
>>>>>>>there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world.
>>>>>>>It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man.
>>>>>>>Tom Irwin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>---------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Kirk McLoren
>>>>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>>>>>>To: biofuel
>>>>>>>Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
>>>>>>>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
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