Hi Kirk >snip >(Strange though that he thought there's such a thing as a great nation.) > >Yes, I call it the myth of the state.
A false myth indeed. George Bernard Shaw said patriotism is the conviction that your country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. LOL! I have to agree. It says somewhere on our website that Planet Earth needs no flag of allegiance, but I'm beginning to wonder if Planet Earth can even survive such an anachronistic thing as 200 national flags of allegience for much longer, there just isn't any room for them in the lifeboat. False flags are the only kind there is. I guess Gandhi should be forgiven, after all he was confronting the British Empire, on which the sun hadn't yet quite set, a daunting prospect. Great perhaps as in mighty, bigger and stronger than you. Regards Keith > Kirk > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Damn, they "improved" their site and broke all their links, and now even >their internal links don't work. Sorry! > >I've uploaded the pics here: > >http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/chicks1.jpg >Male chicks struggle to survive >Unwanted male chicks struggle to survive amid egg shells and garbage in a >dumpster behind a hatchery for laying hens. > >http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/chicks2.jpg >Dead and dying male chicks behind an egg hatchery >A dumpster behind a hatchery for laying hens is filled with dead and dying >male chicks who are of no economic value to the egg industry. > >>From the www.factoryfarming.com site: > >For every egg-laying hen confined in a battery cage, there is a male chick >who was killed at the hatchery. Because egg-laying chicken breeds have >been genetically selected exclusively for maximum egg production, they >don't grow fast or large enough to be raised profitably for meat. >Therefore, male chicks of egg-laying breeds are of no economic value, and >they are literally discarded on the day they hatch usually by the >cheapest, most convenient means available. Thrown into trash cans by the >thousands, male chicks suffocate or are crushed under the weight of >others. > >Another common method of disposing of unwanted male chicks is grinding >them up alive. This can result in unspeakable horrors, as described by one >research scientist who observed that "even after twenty seconds, there >were only partly damaged animals with whole skulls". In other words, fully >conscious chicks were partially ground up and left to slowly and >agonizingly die. Eyewitness accounts at commercial hatcheries indicate >similar horrors of chicks being slowly dismembered by machinery blades en >route to trash bins or manure spreaders. > >http://www.farmsanctuary.org/issues/factoryfarming/eggs/ > >Chicks are fully aware when they hatch, they know perfectly well what's >happening to them. > >More here: >http://www.upc-online.org/chickens/chickensbro.html > >"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are >treated." Mohandas Gandhi. (Strange though that he thought there's such a >thing as a great nation.) > >Best > >Keith > > >>>Hi Chip, >>> >>>Excellent video. Independant merchants do not need over paid CEO's and >>underpaid staff and slave wages for the 3rd world manufacturing workers. >>>The cruelty to factory farmed chickens is really terifying. >> >>If they even get that far... >> >>http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/chicks02.htm >> >>:-( >> >>Keith >> >> >>>If every one patronized independent local stores more we could solve a >>lot of problems, including better more satisfying employment for people >>and more protection for the environment. >>> >>>Terry Dyck> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:41:49 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] >>Fwd: Cute Video with important messages> > Kirk McLoren wrote:> > > > > > >>Cute video, 9 min, with some important messages about consumption.> > > > >>http://www.alternet.org/blogs/workplace/73239/> > > > This film was >>selected for the 2008 Sonoma Environmental Film Festival. >>Kirk McLoren wrote: >>> >>> >>> Cute video, 9 min, with some important messages about consumption. >>> >>> http://www.alternet.org/blogs/workplace/73239/ >>> >>> This film was selected for the 2008 Sonoma Environmental Film Festival. >>> >>>It is a cute video. But I have some issues with it. >>> >>>Is this about big box vs local business? or is it just >>>yet still another slam against WallMart? >>>Near as I can tell, it's just more slamming of WallMart. >>> >>>That's just fine with me on one level. WallMart certainly has >>>it coming. >>> >>>But on many other levels, I think it's mostly a waste of time, >>>and here's some reasons why. >>> >>>The video isn't going to change anyone's point of view, I don't think. >>>Folks who still accept the WallMart model, are under much more >>>pressure from WallMart than they are from local businesses. This >>>pressure is well understood by folks who have built up the >>>consumer mindset over the last 150-200 years quite well. It's >>>subliminal and quite powerful. The wallmart overlords (heh) >>>understand it really well. Hence the push for the green paint, >>>all the hype about skylighting, 'organic' groceries, etc. >>>This (effective) approach at heading off 'doubts' in the mind >>>of the 'consumer' works. >>> >>>Being of a skeptical (and yes, ofttimes cynical) mindset, noise >>>from wallmart about organic sets off alarm bells with me. But >>>not with 'joe public consumer'. Attacking WallMart outright, >>>as this video does, just shuts 'joe public consumer' down, and >>>closes out any discussion. 'Jpc' already has their mind made up, >>>and attacks neatly sidestep the debate. Folks who understand >>>how debates work, know what I mean. >>> >>>IMO, a better approach would have been a stronger 'sales pitch' >>>of the local business, farmers market and a lot less pejorative >>>coverage of the big box. Just from a point of debate, there is >>>a lot of apples vs oranges in that video. I see this more and more >>>in short videos of this sort. >>> >>>In my quite limited experience, there are 'broad scale' farmers >>>who are really good folks, and small scale farmer's market types >>>who are complete jerks. That said, the trend is quite clear. >>> >>>There is optimism, and there is pessimism. There is advocacy >>>and there is criticism. For some reason, there seems to be >>>a lot of focus on criticism before advocacy. I'm not sure that's >>>the best approach, for very many reasons. >>> >>>I could nitpick this video, there are problems with the facts as >>>presented. But so what? I'd rather advocate for small/local >>>businesses and small/local growers/diaries/farms. >>> >>>End of the day, for a legion of reasons, the Big-Box approach >>>is fundamentally broken, it won't work out in the long run >>>and so, I'd say, pay them no more mind (or money :) Focus on what works, >>>will work, and get on with it. The more you live this, the >>>more you'll find friends/co-workers/acquaintances with questions. >>>You can refer them to this list :) >>> > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
