-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert and benita Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:54 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaporized gasoline engineswork asproventotheworldbyShell Oil Company in 1973
Mike Pelly wrote: >You don't think cats are hot? Put your finger on one sometime and than >let me know what you think. They have shields all over them for a good reason. > > They HAVE to be hot in order to work. >They are very efficient at re-burning the hydrocarbon rich exhaust but >why are we not working to improve vehicle fuel effeciency by burning >this fuel properly the first time? > > Sigh . . . Carbon RICH exhaust? Hardly! We measure pollutants in parts per million or grams per kilometer, even before the catalytic convertor. There is very little unburned fuel leaving the combustion chamber. Why do we have to run engines a little bit rich? Under cruise conditions, most engines are set up to run lean. At idle, however, in order to improve quality they tend to run a few tenths or so below stoichometric. (This has greatly improved with the introduction of sequential injection.) Acceleration requires more power, and maximum power is made at around a 12.5:1 air / fuel ratio for gasoline. Acceleration enrichment pumps more fuel into the manifold, a small amount of which condenses on the (relatively) cool surface of the intake manifold. (This is all related to temperature and pressure.) After the acceleration event is over, that engine management system returns everything to a lean condition for cruise, and that wee bit of extra fuel eventually winds up getting burned. The computer is measuring the ratio of oxygen in the exhaust as a means of optimizing the air / fuel ratio and adjusting the intake pulse as required, but at low pulse ratios it's far harder to be completely precise because there are limitations to how narrow the injector pulse can be at a given rpm. Robert, till you are ready to step away from your ingrained thinking about injecting gasoline into an engine as a 'liquid' and start looking at introducing gasoline into the engine in a 'gaseous state' you'll continue to miss the point of this art. Yes you can throw your terms like 12.5/1 stoichometric and anything else you have related to liquid fuel injection and carburetion out as much as you want but your just confusing yourself. Gasoline vapor like propane vapor (and I cringe using this analogy because it is not 100% identical) have no problem mixing with the air and vaporized gasoline is far more flammable than liquid gasoline. Maybe the analogy of a car crash and gasoline tank explosion being much worse in a car with an empty tank of gasoline compared to one with a full tank, might help to illustrate this point. Vaporized gasoline is as different an art from gasoline fuel injection and carburetion as is diesel injection and spark ignited gas ignition. It's like comparing apples and fudge brownies. Mike What this means, in practical terms, is that in order to have a car that can accelerate and deal with traffic, it HAS to have acceleration enrichment. In addition, during warm-up it's necessary to inject extra fuel just to get the machine running! The variable nature of driving ensures that compromises between power and economy have to be made, and the catalytic covertor helps to even out those differences. But here, we're talking VERY small amounts of fuel--not enough to change economy by a factor of ten. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" "The Long Journey" New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3060 (20080428) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3061 (20080428) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3061 (20080428) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/