Hi Bob >Just to add to the stew: in New Zealand (the clean, green, much-boasted >nuclear-free land of absolute neutrality) a journalist was held in a mental >hospital as "delusional" for saying that 9/11 was an inside job. > ><http://snipurl.com/rtcnj> > >"I was wrongly diagnosed as delusional by the psychiatric staff of Ward 7 at >Northland Base Hospital in Whangarei and held against my will for 11 days in >mid-2006, because I maintained the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by >criminal elements inside the US Administration."
Is she actually a journalist? Uncensored Magazine | Clare Swinney Clare Swinney has written 748 posts for Uncensored Magazine http://uncensored.co.nz/author/clare-swinney/ Uncensored Magazine is just another 9/11 conspiracy rag (founded by a porn king and a suppressed inventions conspiracist). Other magazines have rejected Clare Swinney's offerings. Has she ever worked as a professional journalist? The mental hospital story sounds chilling, but is that quite what happened? The statement she made that 9/11 was an inside job wasn't made in a news report, it was a rather substance-free complaint she made to TVNZ, and then to the Broadcasting Standards Authority when TVNZ didn't agree with her. See: <http://www.bsa.govt.nz/decisions/2006/2006-011.htm>. Here's her evidence: <http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr163/KiwiClare/SCAN0012.jpg>, but how exactly did the BSA rejection of her complaint lead to her being detained (was she detained?) at the mental hospital? I'm sure BSA was a little irritated at having their time wasted (they had to watch 2 DVDs of conspiracist stuff), but they'd hardly get so cross they'd call in the shrinks to put her in a rubber room. There's not much else to be found about it, which is a bit surprising if she's to be believed. IMHO she's not to be believed. Anyway, she is delusional - all conspiracists are delusional, by definition, and she's certainly a conspiracist, there are no proved or provable facts to support her views, which she's clearly convinced are factual, but they're not factual, it's all conjectural. As we've just been establishing. That doesn't mean it's pathological though, something to be "diagnosed". Everybody to some extent believes things that in another part of their minds they know aren't true, but it's harmless, and it'd probably be difficult to get along otherwise, as with the little white lies that everyone tells. No way of knowing which bracket Clare Swinney might fall into. Whatever, I don't think all this adds up to suppression of her views by TPTB in order to silence her, though I'm sure she intends to give that impression. That would be both naive and futile (TPTB are not usually naive or futile). Why would they give a shit anyway? Naah. Best Keith >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Keith Addison >Sent: Sunday, 13 September 2009 8:58 a.m. >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U. S. Head of Military Intelligence Publically States >9/11 was Staged Event > >Hi Bob > >><www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m9d10-Who-are >- >>911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement> >><http://tinyurl.com/pvpjkv> >><http://tinyurl.com/r2bcob> > >Here you go: > ><http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-LA-County-Nonpartisan-Examiner~y2009m9d10-W >ho-are-911-Truthers-What-is-the-911-Truth-Movement> > >Snipurl: ><http://snipurl.com/rs6y0> > >Tinyurl: ><http://tinyurl.com/q9hsep> > >I prefer Snipurl, but they both work well. > >>Hi Keith/Bruno et al, >> Your points well taken, n'less the smell seems to >be >>growing hence the website above. >>Re posting "big items": wasn't aware we suffered a space shortage. > >No space shortage, I think Bruno meant "big" in the sense of weighty >or troublesome. Actually there is a size limit on messages, it's set >at 100 kb, not very small. > >>As for >>the pros and cons of the issue, the title of the thread suggested the >>bunfight was far from over hence my additional tuppence worth. I'm still >>sitting on the fence and hoping someone, somewhere will provide a >definitive >>answer. I've yet to see it. > >That's right, sad to say. I doubt there'll be a breakthrough any time >soon. A Mother Jones writer pointed out that this is the first 9/11 >anniversary "when the country is no longer being run by those who so >cynically exploited horror and legitimate anger". ><http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/09/911-truth-trutherism-and-truthiness >> >Not to presume that the current bunch are above cynically exploiting >horror and legitimate anger, but a lot of the steam might go out of >it with Bush-Cheney no longer in the hot seat. > >I'd like to see an update of the 2006 Scripps poll: > >>"Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy", 08/01/2006 >><http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll>. > >Earlier polls put it much higher than a third - some reported that as >many as 89% thought the government was lying or complicit (CNN poll, >2004). > >But there's less pressure now, there might not be an updated poll, >and if there is one the figures could be lower. > >The protesters, if that's the word, have failed to build up the kind >of mass movement that might have forced a serious re-examination of >what happened, and it's rather unlikely that Obama will take the >initiative in questioning the official version. > >Though I hope not, it could just wind down to a core of diehards who >go on and on thumping away about thermite dust and Building 7 and >Mossad and so on and everybody else takes about as much notice as >they do of all the other conspiracy theories, like who killed the >Kennedys (Bill Moyers just said conspiracy theories are as American >as apple pie). > >> n'less the smell seems to be growing... > >I think we have good news noses, you and I, and smell is the right >word for this - the whole thing stinks, it did right from the start. >I simply don't believe anything beyond the bald facts, that the jets >hit the buildings, everything else is just "murk and suspicion" - the >conspiracists get the murk, and everything official gets the >suspicion. > >Meanwhile the death toll keeps mounting - 2,752 at the WTC itself, >and these are the current ICH figures: > >Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq - 1,339,771 >Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially >acknowledged) In America's War On Iraq: 4,661 >Number Of International Occupation Force Troops Slaughtered In >Afghanistan: 1,378 > >How many Afghans killed? And Pakistanis? Obama's ratcheting it up in >Afghanistan and Pakistan, and he's NOT winding Iraq down - more >"private contractors" (mercenaries) are being moved in than US troops >are being moved out. > >Somehow I think a lot more people than that have died because of 9/11. > >Will this just go on and on happening until the real truth about 9/11 >finally emerges and perhaps upsets some applecarts that very badly >need upsetting? Or will the truth never emerge and the killing never >stop? > >:-( > >>Lastly, perhaps most importantly for me, the "tinyurl" tip was much >>appreesh. However, my technique probably needs some further honing as it >>didn't work for me, as per examples. Will go back to the drawing board. > >Keep at it, you'll get there. > >All best > >Keith > > >>Regards, >>Bob. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>Keith Addison >>Sent: Friday, 11 September 2009 7:21 a.m. >>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U. S. Head of Military Intelligence Publically >States >>9/11 was Staged Event >> >>Hi Bruno >> >>Thankyou. >> >>>And how has this something to do with biofuel or sustainability? >> >>:-) Who knows? "Politics" ain't sustainable, any more than >>"business-as-usual" is - call it "depolitics" perhaps. >> >>Best >> >>Keith >> >> >>>Bob, >>> >>>Your link is still dodgy, >>>why don't you use Tiny URL or something like it? >><http://tinyurl.com/> >> >>> >>>Your link ( the http:// could have been left off to start with ) > >>www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.commentview&co >m >>ment_id=158 >>> would then look like this, (and always work on all forums and list >>servers): >><http://tinyurl.com/la7x98> >> >>>but if you like it, it may look like this : >><http://tinyurl.com/bobs-9-11-conspiracy-theory> >> >>> >>>And imho it is always useful if you push such big items into a >>>discussion group, >>>even if you "truly believe" the conspiracy theory, you may simple check >>first >>>what skeptical debunkers of the same subject have to say; >>>It may prepare you fore what opposite comments will come up; >>>or even make yourself think, really think, and you may decide to not >>forward >>>crap to a group were you're known, and keep your reputation in good >>>shape. ;-) >>> >>>E.G: http://www.debunking911.com/ >>>http://www.jod911.com/ >>>... >>>As you'll see they have covered almost all angles, and with allot >>>more then 'believes' and 'assumptions'. >>> >>>And how has this something to do with biofuel or sustainability? > >> >>>Grts >>>Bruno M. >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>At 00:30 10/09/2009, From: "bmolloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>Keith, >>>> The link on my last post was dodgy. This one works better >>>> >>>><http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.comme >n >>tv >>>>iew&comment_id=158 >>>> >>>>If not, the full article is available below. >>>> >>>>As for facts: The discovery of nano-thermite in the WTC dust was >published >>>>in The Open Chemical Physics Journal in April 2009. >>>>Regards, >>>>Bob. >>>> >>>> >>>>CONSPIRACY THEORY OR HIDDEN TRUTH? THE 9/11 ENIGMAS... >>>>Richard Gage, AIA, Gregg Roberts, and David Chandler >>>> >>>>Richard Gage, AIA has been a practicing San Francisco Bay Area architect >>for >>>>more than 20 years, and is a registered member of the American Institute >>of >>>>Architects. Most recently he worked on a $400M mixed-use facility in Las >>>>Vegas NV. But he is also the founder and CEO of Architects & Engineers >for >>>>9/11 Truth, now numbering over 800 A/Eís, calling for a new investigation >>>>into the destruction of all 3 WTC high-rises on 9/11. Gage has spoken at >>>>over 100 events, reaching 20 U.S. states and 8 countries. He has been >>>>invited to present in 14 cities Australia, New Zealand, and Japan before >>the >>>>end of this year. As the anniversary of the events approaches, Gage tells >>>>WAN why he thinks there are hidden depths to the destruction of the World >>>>Trade Centre... >>>> ...... CUT.................................. >>>> >>>>>>>> If it doesn't start off with the preferred conclusion-of-choice >>and >>>>>>>> then go in search of the "facts" to "prove" it, but instead >simply >>>>>>> > goes in search of facts, along with all the patient and careful >>>>>>>> cross-checking that takes, and then emerges with a fact-based >>>>>>>> conclusion that checks out, or even with just some hard facts >>without >>>>>>>> a conclusion.... well then, that's different. But AFAIK it >hasn't >>>>>>>> happened yet, and don't hold yer breath. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > Keith > > >============================================================== _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
