Well.
Regardless of every sane argument I need to drive to make a living.
To pay the house I live in, to pay for my internet connection, you get it, I 
believe.
I need to drive a lot some days. I need to carry tools sometimes. I need to be 
on time and I'm hot. 

So yes, its 33 deg C out there, and the humidity is high, and aircon helps a 
lot. 

I work 13-14 hours some days, staying cool during drives helps to stay alert on 
the road. 
So yes, I not only believe aircon is nice, I believe it's neccessary on some 
days. 

Traffic is heavy only some days, but mostly very bearable where I live. 

The most we need to take real good care of these days are the cyclists. 

These are not people getting from A to B, these are people with nothing to do 
all afternoon and they didn't tire themselves during their work day. But I 
still take care.

So yes, passive and active safety elements in cars are essential. And we don't 
have tank traffic at all. We don't even have many tanks left anymore. There are 
some
large vehicles on road and I happen to own one. And no, it's not putting in 
danger any one, it's rather useful for that matter. 

Cheers, Aleks



-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dawie Coetzee
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 11:54 AM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG

Hi Aleks, Jason

"Well, I need to say something here. Why all these inventions?"

Why indeed?

"You can buy a whole production car capable of 100 mpg today."

Unfortunately it is fundamentally one of several million of them, and done that 
way can't be otherwise. 


"The  world record in fuel economy set by Gerhardt Plattner with this car is  
actually way better: 107 mpg from austria to denmark and back, 2007 km  on 45 
litres of diesel, using autobahns, climbing mountain highway  passes etc. 
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/05/gerhard-plattner-does-it-again-drives.html 
(7% better fuel economy at these low values is no easy job in real world 
traffic)

"It's not a hybrid."

Good.

"It's got aircon and everything a modern car should have."

Should a modern car have aircon and everything else? Why? Perhaps because it 
spends so much time in heavy traffic? Isn't THAT rather the problem? 


"It hasn't got an exotic engine, the engine is a common rail 1.2 litre tdi."

That's one common rail too exotic!

"It's even almost half reasonably priced.

"And it's not even a kei or very small car : Skoda Fabia Greenline II 
http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/skoda/skoda_fabia/review_skoda_fabia_greenline_ii_4637.jhtml
 "

Primarily because it needs to 'protect' its occupants against all that tank 
traffic ...

"Cheers, Aleks"

This looks like a lot of fun to me. Seventeen of them might achieve remarkable 
fuel economy; no great matter if the eighteenth and nineteenth don't. And they 
would achieve that fuel economy the right way, that is, pretty much by accident.

Regards

Dawie






________________________________
From: Aleksander Kac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org" 
<sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org>
Sent: Fri, 27 May, 2011 8:27:01
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG

Well, I need to say something here. Why all these inventions?

You can buy a whole production car capable of 100 mpg today. 

The world record in fuel economy set by Gerhardt Plattner with this car is 
actually way better: 107 mpg from austria to denmark and back, 2007 km on 45 
litres of diesel, using autobahns, climbing mountain highway passes etc. 
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/05/gerhard-plattner-does-it-again-drives.html 
(7% better fuel economy at these low values is no easy job in real world 
traffic)

It's not a hybrid.

It's got aircon and everything a modern car should have. 

It hasn't got an exotic engine, the engine is a common rail 1.2 litre tdi.

It's even almost half reasonably priced.

And it's not even a kei or very small car : Skoda Fabia Greenline II 
http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/skoda/skoda_fabia/review_skoda_fabia_greenline_ii_4637.jhtml
 

Cheers, Aleks


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lee 
Dyson
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:13 AM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG

Hello All,

was sent this, looks interesting. Looks like if it can be vaporised and 
combustible you can run this engine on it, diesel also. Looks like the idea has 
been around since at least the 1950's

Lee


Begin forwarded message:

>>>>> Subject: FW: New Engine 100 MPG
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> New Engine! VERRRRY Cool!      
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is another German Invention! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and by the way! Let’s watch this invention closely, so we can observe 
>>>>> the 
>>>>>MANOEUVERING  of the Oil Companies, Lawyers, Politicians, Unions and Wall 
>>>>>Street, to cut this invention off at the knees, delay  and/or even stop 
>>>>>it’s 
>>>>>development. They will all contribute to stopping this engine from ever 
>>>>>reaching 
>>>>>the American consumer in a reasonable time frame at a reasonable price. 
>>>>>JUST 
>>>>>WATCH! 
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Be sure and watch the video….  Interesting..!! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For a good demo, See: 
>>>>> http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Saving the World Two Strokes at a Time
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is no wimp engine. It's a two cylinder with four pistons 
>>>>> delivering 300+ Horse Power It's extremely small and very 
>>>>> efficient and is presently in use in test applications The 
>>>>> configuration below is equivalent to a extremely ballsy four 
>>>>> cylinder engine when doubled, it's an extremely ballsy 600+ H.P. 
>>>>> engine
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s called OPOC (Opposed Piston Opposed Cylinder), and it’s a 
>>>>> turbocharged 
>>>>>two-stroke, two-cylinder, with four pistons, two in each cylinder, that 
>>>>>will run 
>>>>>on gasoline, diesel or ethanol. The two pistons, inside a single cylinder, 
>>>>>pump 
>>>>>toward and away from each other, thus allowing a cycle to be completed 
>>>>>twice as 
>>>>>quickly as a conventional engine while balancing it's own loads.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The heavy lifting for this unconventional concept was performed Prof. 
>>>>> Peter 
>>>>>Hofbauer. During his 20 years at VW, Hofbauer headed up, among other 
>>>>>things, 
>>>>>development of VW’s first diesel engine and the VR6.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The OPOC has been in development for several years, and the company 
>>>>> claims it’s 
>>>>>30 percent lighter, one quarter the size and achieves 50 percent better 
>>>>>fuel 
>>>>>economy than a conventional turbo diesel engine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They’re predicting 100 MPG in a conventional car!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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