Rick, If a UI environment is so useless in a vectorized graphics environment, why is Microsoft doing just that with XAML? I could easily challenge you to create some UI widget in MFC/Swing/Whatever, then duplicate that in SVG. However, I could also do things in SVG UI-land that would be impossible to do in MFC/Swing/Whatever-land.
There is lots of movement in SVG, and we aren't necessarily reliant on Adobe. There is a new viewer coming out at the SVG Open this summer, SVG-tiny is getting massive support in the mobile sector, and there continues to be development on all fronts. I'm sure you'd be very surprised just exactly what sectors are extremely interested in SVG right now... Alastair http://spark.sourceforge.net --- In [email protected], "Rick Bullotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uhh, yeah. I'm sure a lot of new and significant SVG initiatives will > get funded post-Macromedia. Not! > > Actually, Flex, or something conceptually similar to Flex may have been > SVG's salvation. Tightly bound with data services. The biggest mistake > with SVG, in my opinion, is people trying to make it more than it is - > trying to create an entire UI development or application development > environment from a vector drawing platform. Just because you can > technically make a Cooper Mini go 220 MPH (that's 355 KPH for my metric > friends), doesn't mean you should or that it is a practical application > of technology, resources, or energy. > > BEST_CHANCE_OF_SUCCESS = (HTML + XFORMS + (the common UI things missing > from XFORMS) + ECMASCRIPT + (the things missing from many ECMASCRIPT > engines like good XPATH and XML DOM support) + SVG) * > (BROAD_NATIVE_BROWSER_SUPPORT); > > That implies three difficult things - enhancements to XFORMS and > consistent XML support - and most difficult of all, browser support for > all of the above. > > My needs were always more along the lines of VML - embeddable, > XML-addressable graphics inside a web page. Adobe kept things alive for > a while with their SVG Viewer, but the absolute lack of (visible) > progress on it for years speaks volumes to their true commitment. > > It does, indeed, tie back to whether or not there is a viable business > model for the larger software entities to generate revenues/profits from > the products that result. I think there was a chance, at one point, for > someone to take a leadership position in SVG (actually, Corel tried, but > the execution and scope of the initiative was flawed) and create useful, > mainstream products that leveraged the technology. That time may have > passed. Or not. Time will tell. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of welkerpaul > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:27 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [svg-developers] Re: It's Time to Cut Adobe adrift > > --- In [email protected], Michael Bolger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Francis Hemsher wrote: > > >conflicting interests, via Flash, that will further dilute the > future > > > > Adobe being a complex multi-faceted organization and all, > > now would be a good time for us to help encourage the use > > and development of SVG to them. > > > > Cheers > > Michael > > Michael, > you are so funny;-) > Sure, it's been always a good time for us to help encourage the use > and development of svg to AnyOne! > Though, if you've got a decent svg business model for adobe you > shouldn't keep them waiting... ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
