Aye, looks like svg is an excellent niche for blockheaded idealists? 
Since Rick did call for a *well executed*, *positively spun* 
campaign, he's reasonably up in the air..
A penny for Omar's thoughts.

Beyond it, let's hope for an avalon based svg implementation in ie8?
--- In [email protected], "Rick Bullotta" 
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> By halfway I mean SVG Tiny 1.1, per the spec.  The "half" part is 
not implementing SVG Basic or full.
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> From: [email protected] on behalf of Omar Abo-Namous
> Sent: Sun 7/24/2005 9:37 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Native SVG Support in IE8
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> if implementing svg natively in ie means the same as the 
implementation
> of other w3c-recommendations, then i am certainly against it. If we
> think about the differences in implementing a recommendation as 
trivial
> and yet vital as html or xhtml, then i am clearly against the
> implementation (halfway). It would be still better to use the adobe
> svg-viewer, which at least tries to implement the svg-rec. to a 
great
> extent..
> 
> Omar
> 
> Rick Bullotta wrote:
> > OK, we all know this isn't in the plans...but maybe, just MAYBE -
 a well executed, POSITIVELY SPUN, e-mail and press/media campaign 
upped the pressure on MS to support SVG Tiny 1.1 (the code is 90% 
done - just retool VML!), with pressure from users, corporate 
customers, ISV's, media pundits, the mobile providers and equipment 
vendors, I think it could happen.
> > 
> > Who wants to lead the charge?
> > 
> > If there's any resistance to doing this in the SVG community, 
that would speak volumes about the prospects of SVG going big-time 
mainstream.  Like it or not, having MS on board partway is better 
than not at all.
> > 
> > Even cooler would be for the SVG community to donate the 
implementation code to MS's development organization - we all know 
how $$$'s are tight there ;).
> > 
> > In any case, whadda ya all think?
> > 
> > - Rick
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