How fitting the subject line is... ...
--- In [email protected], "Francis Hemsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug, > I have tried to be sensitive in my own, I guess, mostly inadequate > way. But me thinks it's time to take take off the kid gloves and get > to some bare knuckle communication: > > The airy-faerie procrastinators of the SVG future probably have not > coded diddly. Sure, you show your cutsy examples, about 20 lines of > code, where we're supposed to be wowed by, in such a grand > proclamation, but it has as much substance as cotton candy. > > Try some sweat, blood and tears trying to get your shit to work in a > cemmercial environment. Maybe then you'll get off your high horse of > superiority. > > IE and ASV3 have provided those, willing to put their fanny on the > line, a means to use SVG in a rational/commercial way at this time. > What a bunch of stupid shits? Right? Well, you'd better kiss our ass > or you'll lose us. I guess we'll checked off an merely IE lovers, > not aware of how grand SVG will be in the vaporous future. When, in > fact, we are the best you have to offer. > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Doug Schepers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Hi, Francis- > > > > | Thanks for the .js file. I will definitely use it if I take > > | to FireFox. My issue isn't that code can't be globally changed, > > > > So, you've been given both the technical reasons and the easy > solutions. Jim > > and I have provided you with simple workarounds for what you > perceive as a > > "problem". > > > > In fact, none of this is new; I told you about the issue on your > own > > svg-and-the-dom list *2 years* ago [1]. You were warned long > before you > > created the content that you are now claiming FF breaks. > > > > So, obviously, this is not about technical issues, which is what > this list > > is here to help authors and developers resolve. > > > > > > | my issue is the mentality of MOZ. If they can't work > > | with the needs of developers, and have, what I call, a > > | "validator" mentality, then I want nothing to with them. > > > > You know, if Adobe releases a new viewer, you're going to have to > deal with > > this then. Since it will almost certainly use sXBL, it will have > to be just > > as strict as MozSVG is now. > > > > > > | Creative developers have enough on their plate to deal with. > > > > Like what??? We *gave you the solution*!!! You don't have to deal > with > > anything. It's done. > > > > > > | When the environment they choose is more focused on > > | strictness, and no,no's that can be handled easily by > > | intelligent programming on their part, taking the mundane > > | burden off the developer, > > > > As I demonstrated at length last night when I posed the > AnthologyML use > > case, doing things the Right Way *is* taking the mundane burden > off the > > programmer. It ensures that properly written code will work > anywhere, and it > > provides methods to handle common use cases that would be hard or > impossible > > otherwise, at the mere cost of 5 keystrokes. Pretty dang useful, > IMO, and a > > good technical design and implementation. > > > > By the way, you still haven't fulfilled the challenge you asked > for. But no > > need to, I deliberately presented you with a situation that > explicates why > > we need namespaces. > > > > > > | then it tells me it is out of touch with reality, > > > > No..... > > > > | at least my reality:). > > > > Yes. > > > > In any case, it's clear that this is just an ego game with you, > not a > > serious technical issue. Come on, get real! Stop complaining about > silly > > crap, and get on board with helping create that future that you > have so > > eloquently spoken of in the past. You're a creative guy, and I > know you like > > to argue, but why not argue about real issues? > > > > How can you influence that future? By teaching newbies the correct > way of > > doing things (rather than confusing them with extraneous > nonsense), and by > > coding to standards, so that people can learn from you by example. > That way, > > when users find your content in FF, it will work, and help show > them how > > cool SVG is... otherwise, it will break, and people will dismiss > SVG as > > buggy. > > > > Okay, I'm done arguing. If you're for real, you will take the > message we've > > all been telling you to heart. If you are just here to mess with > the > > community spirit, I won't play your game anymore. I will limit my > comments > > to correcting the mistakes you tell newbies. > > > > > > [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-and-the-dom/message/3 > > > > Regards- > > Doug > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. 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