Please forgive me for I can go back to my work.
On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 31 January 2006 21:53, Phi Tran wrote:
> > 1- There no server-side XMLHTTP needed. It is 100% Client process.
> > (All it need is an SVG file form the server.). .
> >
>
> Right, as long as you are only interested in static content, that is a
> fine
> usage. For images, for example.
>
> > 2- It is not 100% SVG1-2 but it support all graphic and cascade style.
> >
>
> Right. This certainly has a place for static content.
>
> > 3- Me My staff want a web-base simple SVG editor that we can work
> anywhere
> > (for ourself). Accessible to anyone of us.
> >
>
> Right. I can certainly see the advantage of this.
>
> > 4- I like one that can play SVG on 99.9% of the webserver population.
> Easy
> > for Web develpoer do do one WEB-page that it display the same no matter
> > what browser it is IE 4-5-6-7?? FF 1 -1.2 -1.5 Opera ? AOL ? NS ??
> >
>
> I dont know what you mean by webserver population. You can process SVG
> with
> batik on 100% of webservers (well, win32, unix, linux, mac... at least).
> Is that what you mean? XML->raster on the server, then send it to the
> client?
Not quite.
it is: SERVER''S XML -> Client Rasterizing then display. in a standard div
such as:
YourDIV.innerHTML=Svg2Imgs(YourSvg,RatioX,RatioY).
or you can do.
YourDIV.innerHTML=Svg2ImgItem(YourSvg,itemID,RatioX,RatioY).
I myself I hate when when I goes to a webside it asking me to To OK have an
ADD-ON I am not sure that web site should be trusted. There are many of
other sites having the similar content. I just ignore then go look for some
where else it is not the only one.
It is just that simple.
I am very guard my computer. I think many other do so.
Example:
I go to your web site ROASP.COM there is a SVG 5 logo I click on that do you
know what??. I got a link to a complete, complete blank page.
> 5- Timing? It slower because it is interpreted Vs compiled. Depend on how
> > much how big one change it may or may not fit for GAME/animation
> purpose.
> > But it may fit on other purpose such as map dynamic image generator such
> as
> > a web-base image drawing.
> >
>
> Right. Could be good, especially for clients that cant support static SVG.
> Are
> many of these? Have you come accross DENG, the svg viewer written in
> flash?
> Also, why not use flash to generate SVG drawings (blasphemy, but fairly
> easy,
> I would guess).
There are a lot of place that we do not allow to have anything installed.
(school, library) I like to build one application that can run only with the
very basic browser. I certainly do not allow anyone to install anything on
my machine. For security reason I don't even surf more on those who want me
to have JAVA enabled - No matter what you do there is simliar one on the
net.
> 6- We are not just starting it. but it has been worked for long.
>
> Interesting. Any way to take a look at it? Do you have an online version
> that
> is accessible?
>
> Ronan
I have posted one about on the net about two month ago but I took it (out
of the public) for we an make improvement- You know what?? To have a better
support for the IE(s). The next one will be available for the public in few
weeks. ( about 4). When it is I will let your all know.
Anyway. I need to go back to my work. Thanks for your comment and input.
Best WISH.
Phi
>
> > On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi Phi,
> > >
> > > Your idea of a web-enabled SVg renderer is great and I support the
> > > concept if
> > > y. Is that an SVG-1.2-full renderer? I am interested to see how you
> will
> > > support things like SMIL events and xmlhttprequest-driven
> > > serverside-driven
> > > updates. If you manage this, I will be very happy. Even if you only
> > > support
> > > SVGT, that would already be excellent.
> > >
> > > However, I have some issues with your point of view:
> > >
> > > 1. Why do you say adobe has abandoned SVG? Have Adobe pulled ASV and
> > > forbidden you from using it? As far as I an tell, this has not
> happened.
> > > Adobe may have decided to stop developing ASV as a product, but so
> what?
> > > That's their own loss. There are other SVG viewer implementations out
> > > there,
> > > and at least one on the very near horizon.
> > >
> > > 2. There is already an SVG viewer solution for every platform: Batik.
> And
> > > for
> > > each major platform, there is at least one SVG implementation. If you
> > > mean cross-browser SVG support, I do not think you can expect much
> joy.
> > > After all,
> > > it is a bit much to ask modern developers to continue to support IE6
> > > forever.
> > > After all, IE6 is really starting to show its age and is totally out
> of
> > > date.
> > > Microsoft can refuse to update their browser, but they do so at their
> own
> > > risk. And while rumours of a pending IE7 abound, I'm not holding my
> > > breath for this to be usable on current hardware. I'll be pleasantly
> > > surprised to hear of IE7 running on WindowsXP on a 2004-2006 PC or
> > > laptop.
> > >
> > > 3. There is a lot more to SVG than rendering the pixels. time
> management,
> > > transparency management, and event handling are fairly complex things
> > > that will be difficult to mimick in dhtml and javascript alone. Of
> > > course, you *could* generate pixel maps of an SVG drawing, but doing
> so
> > > is pointless. Exactly what SVG is good at, pixel maps suck at...
> distinct
> > > object context handling.
> > >
> > > 4. Does your cross.browser free SVG editor work on Konqueror? Can you
> > > show a
> > > link? Is it better than Batik-based SVG editors?
> > >
> > > 5. I do not understand why people starved for an SVG plugin to IE6 do
> not
> > > simply compile a Batik applet to handle their SVG. Shouldnt that work?
> > > Sure, it would be fat... But it would work. and bandwidth is pretty
> good
> > > these
> > > days. For web2.0 apps, this solution should suffice.
> > >
> > > 6. I am not sure what you mean by dealing with black boxes. The source
> > > code
> > > for every SVG implementation in the wild except ASV and CSV is freely
> > > available. All you need to do is read it.
> > >
> > > Ronan
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 31 January 2006 20:53, Phi Tran wrote:
> > > > But as you know ADOBE is abandoned SVG viewer.
> > > > And
> > > > 1- It is not CROSS-BROWSER such as IE
> > > > 2- I don't like to deal with black box. I want to allow the Web
> author
> > >
> > > more
> > >
> > > > flexibility such as to know that color a point is; or he/she what to
> > >
> > > just
> > >
> > > > move/change one item/element . . .
> > > > 3- It just a sub product of my Cross-platform/ Cross-browser
> web-base,
> > >
> > > Free
> > >
> > > > SVG editor.
> > > >
> > > > Hope You may Understand.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Phi
> > > >
> > > > On 1/31/06, Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > I fail to understand why you would want to build a plugin from
> > > > > scratch for SVG
> > > > > when instead you could contribute to Mozilla's SVG team, or
> > >
> > > Konqueror's
> > >
> > > > > SVG
> > > > > team, which are open source, and help those implementation get
> > > > > better.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd suggest you contribute to an existing SVG browser
> implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ronan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday 31 January 2006 19:17, Pedro Henrique de Lira wrote:
> > > > > > OK,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but we need a plugin similar to flash plugin,
> > > > > > with all functions of the specificaition 1.1 W3C.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't you think ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > []s
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phi Tran escreveu:
> > > > > > >FYI.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Yes. and No.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Yes there are some models floating on the NET.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >1- Server side java base SVG -> Png (from SUN and GOOLE). (You
> can
> > > > >
> > > > > obtain
> > > > >
> > > > > > >source ??).
> > > > > > >2- Java base Applet that can render SVG image. (Not very
> > >
> > > impressive)
> > >
> > > > > > >3- Similar to FishEye Menu (on the net). Requiring
> client/server
> > >
> > > round
> > >
> > > > > > > trip? 4- I have first hand knowedge of a Client side
> Javascript
> > >
> > > SVG
> > >
> > > > > > > render It look sleek. Hoppfully it will be available in a few
> > >
> > > week.
> > >
> > > > > > >On 1/31/06, Pedro Henrique de Lira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >>Hi,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>There are some plugin opensource that reinderized svg images
> in
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > > > >>browser IE and FF that get all funcionalities in the
> > >
> > > especification
> > >
> > > > > 1.1
> > > > >
> > > > > > >>disponibilized for the W3c....otherwise we can start this
> > > > >
> > > > > ideia/solution
> > > > >
> > > > > > >>???
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I know that the FF 1.5 had the svg *INTERNAL* but not have all
> > > > > > >>funcionalities and not is good to depend the plugin of the
> adobe
> > >
> > > wich
> > >
> > > > > > >>was been abandoned.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>thank's
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
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