On 3/25/06, Geoffrey Swenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is due to the Eolas patents. Even if you are an ardent M$ hater, you > have to be on M$ side on this one, since after Eolas gets done with > Microsoft, they intend to go after everyone else. The patents don't look > like they are valid in the least since there was substantial prior art. > But > the wheels of bureaucracy grind very slowly. > > > > The whole patenting of software was a huge mistake, especially since we > never gave the patent office sufficient resources to investigate the > filings, so they have approved a huge number of rather bogus patents. The > recent RIM settlement for a patent that is likely to be invalidated over > the > next few months is just one of many problems. > > > > Geoffrey J. Swenson > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personally I think we should go back to the basic that cause the discussion about SVG FLASH and XAML. Knowing that: (1) Internet is design as an information sharing/ connectivity environment without paying much attention to it ability as dynamic graphical presentations. (2) Therefore browser start to support graphical presentations thru variety of bitmap format. (At that time) they totally lack of (or attempt to milk) the feature to allow "brain" to dynamically add graphical touch to his/her web page. (3) In the past and even now dynamic graphical rendering depend on add on like AVG/ FLASH. then XAML Each has it own format - environment one has to follow to have it worked. (4) Of course as Domenico has said Artist will frustrate on the limitation imposed within that framework, Too much of question "how to" in this list is the living proof. (5) The ideal is "browser" allowing artist to dynamically draw basic shapes (pixel, line) on the existing element. But it's NOT there. (6) There are many work-around attempt from the programmer as a community to gain independent from those environment. Name a few: a- Using divs, b- using Canvas? c- Dynamically bitmap generations. Up to now; for various reason it either impractical or too much limitation to gain the stream of programmers support such as XBM format. (7) If there is one feasible work-around that allow programmer their total freedom from those above limitation then I imaging it will open the door for "REAL ARTIST" to do "INSANE" things that only imagination will has the limit. (8) As only a little programmers in small corner of the world. I always mean that "there is always someone smarter/more experience than me"; He/she can do a better job. Thanks to the PNG and data:url(base64) support on major browsers including IE7 that enable us to have a cross browser work-around on whatever the format we use as input - I don't mind it is SVG or XAML or even FLASH (if they allow). In our web demo we have proven that it workable. If you ever use (NOT IE) to retrieve the map you will know that every time you hover in/out a country there is a brand new PNG bitmap generated. If you click on one then there is another bitmap generated. It designed to serve only one point that there is a workable cross-browser work-around independent from "rendering engine" such as AVG or FLASH. Total freedom from limitation imposed by those environment. (9) I am here only to assure that there is a workable (May be better) work-around. Regardless there is IE7, IE8, AVG, FLASH. FF, Konkerer, NS.. with a minimum required: PNG and either DATA:URL or Script:url. Which they all support - Now- WRAP-UP: "JUST DO IT". We all are in good shape. Doing thing with the heart but not the soul (I mean ethically). Thanks. Phi. -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Francis Hemsher > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:25 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [svg-developers] Re: IE7 Beta 2 has an SVG Embed Problem > > > > > > Francis Hemsher wrote: > > > IE7 Beta 2 Preview(3/20/2006) does not initially focus on the > events > > > contained within an SVG document included in an embed. > > > It provides its own statement, via an onMouseOver popup > display: "click > > > to activate and use this control". > > > > That is true. It is not just SVG, but any browser extension which > has > > its OBJECT, EMBED, or APPLET tags contained within the hosting > HTML > > page. Much more info on user experience and development strategies > here: > > http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent > > > > > > > I've made MS aware of the above. If anyone else is looking at > > > IE7, the EMBED and SVG, you should run it and let them know > > > of your needs. > > > > They already know, believe me, they already know.... ;-) > > > > The new behavior also occurs in users of the regular IE6 who have > found > > the list of download options in Windows Update and chosen to > install the > > similar change for IE6. I expect that, in absence of further legal > news, > > that this browser change will be mainlined into a future IE6 > update. > > Other browsers are also vulnerable to the same legal concerns, > although > > I have not heard of any patent news against other browsermakers... > > Microsoft has the biggest pockets, and was first to be approached. > > > > What to do? The easiest seems to be to use an external .JS file to > > dynamically write your OBJECT, EMBED or APPLET tags into the page. > > Examples are at the above Macromedia Active Content Center. > > > > jd > > Hi jd, > I think you left out the most germane part of my statement... > > "This was not a problem in IE5.5, IE6, or your previous IE7 Beta > issue" > > You see, my site has developed a technology based on the above > expectations. If MS does not follow through, then they will have > another legal problem(me). I guess you understand that MS has a > competing technology that may provide an unhealthy spin to how they > address the above. 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