My current phone has a web interface, but it is so tedious to use on the small screen and inadequate keyboard that it is hardly worth the bother and certainly not worth the surcharges on my bill. Until OLEDs make it possible to design an easily carried phone with a large-enough roll-out display, I doubt that web applications will be much good on phones. You can't do enough with 200x200 pixels to be worth the bother for anything other than very specialized apps.
Apps that don't work on phones are going to survive just fine for quite some time, perhaps forever. I don't know if I want my phone to get so dang complex, either. Geoffrey J. Swenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronan Oger Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [svg-developers] RIAs techno winners - was Re: SVG dying? I have a suspicion that mobile-web compatibility will drive technological survival of RIA technology. Apparently, 1/4 of mobile phone users now use the web with their device. This implies that content which does not work on mobile devices in a year or two it will not remain relevant very long. Sadly, the desktop people don't know how to deal with mobile devices, and the mobile market is either unaware or terrified of the potential of the static web capabilities. Adobe is pushing Flex2 hard now and is working hard to get flash onto the mobiles. One thing is for sure, Adobe know what they are doing in the RIA world. After all, isn't it them who added RIA functionality to SVG? For XAML, it will be interesting to see if MS ever manages to grow it outside of the specialised win32/BigDesktop context that it has painted it into. Given the growing impact of mobile devices on the internet landscape (), and since I suspect that XAML will not be on mobiles for years, I propose that the winner of the RIA contest will be the technology that works on mobiles. SVGT1.2 shows huge promise on the mobile context, but is unsupported in IE and unless IE suddenly grows its own SVG wings, it will increasingly act as a lowest-common-denominator brake on internet SVG content for RIAs. I wish I could say that SVG-based RIAs are supported on mobile devices, but I can not really say. Representatives of the mobile viewer vendors have told me that their content supports Ajax-esque or getURL/postURL/parseXML/DOM-insert functionality in SVG, but nobody seem able/interested to either prove this or to show content that they even claim works on some device. I have been building RIA proofs of concept since 2002 and have never seen a mobile capable of round-tripping data in SVG. If the mobile svg platform people get their act together and recognise how close they are to winning (or losing) their technological battle, then my vote is on SVG due to its standards compliance. However, if Bitflash and Ikivo they allow Adobe to steamroll over them and fail to educate the svg content people and fail to deliver the technical solution that meets RIA needs on mobiles, then I believe that the RIA technowinner will be Flash/Flex/whatever-its-called. Ronan On Thursday 20 April 2006 01:40, Robert Russell wrote: > I don't think it's Flash that SVG is really going to go head to head > against but XAML. I'm guessing that people are going to start forming > up around either new MS stuff or W3C stuff for their RIA (Rich > Internet Applications - I didn't invent it, I'm just using it because > we all know what it is) development. > > It's just an idea I've had floating around since I started noticing > the pieces that you'd need to compete against MS with open source (or > just non-MS) tools. > > SVG is not the entirety of that suite, but it's one important part. > > --- In [email protected], Bill Thoen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > a_spit_wad wrote: > > >Strictly looking at the number of posts on this board, 2002 and 2003 > > >looks like the golden years. > > > > > >Are developers posting in another forum or is SVG dying a slow death? > > > > I've noticed that too, and I've heard it from at least one other ex-SVG > > developer (contrasted with a few yeas ago, when everybody was saying it > > was going to triumph over Flash and anything else.) However, it was > > Firefox 1.5's built-in SVG support that got me interested in SVG again, > > so maybe developments such as this will revitalize it in other people's > > minds too. Also, an open source MapInfo MIF to SVG translator that I > > wrote for the MapInfo environment (ftp://ftp.gisnet.com/pub > > /MI2SVG.zip) > > > has been my second-most popular download for the last couple of years, > > so I don't think SVG is dead just yet. > > > > But if the browser developers don't get it together and make all > > implementations conform to the SAME standard in the next year or so, I > > think people are going to get tired of stupid hassles like that and > > they'll be looking to try something else. > > > > - Bill Thoen > > ----- > To unsubscribe send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > membership" ---- > Yahoo! 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