On 6/4/06, Andreas Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Phi, > > I am getting tired about this discussion all the time. > > SVG is not dependent on Adobe, nor is Adobe dependent on SVG. Adobe just > was one of > the first implementors but is currently not active. This does not mean > that Adobe does not > see any value in SVG. They just think that SVG is better when it is > supported by the > browser natively. Adobe implemented SVG in many Adobe products: > Illustrator, GoLive, > Indesign, Graphics Server, etc. just to name a few. > > Luckily, browser vendors now took over. Opera, Mozilla and Apple are > currently > developing native SVG support. Native SVG support is better than plugins > anyway, since > SVG is now first class citizen in the browser and not locked into a > plugin. Native SVG also > means full access to browser features and the DOM. > > As Jeff pointed out, there is a very high probability that IE8 will have > native SVG support. > At least Chris Wilson (chief developer of IE) stated that SVG belongs to > the interoperable > core of the future web browser. > > So why doubt and discuss about the future of SVG all the time? (it was > discussed a few > hundred times on this list already) It will happen and currently happens > in the alternative > browsers. Once everybody else will have it, Microsoft will have it as > well. Thats pretty sure. > > Andreas > > --- In [email protected], "Phi Tran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I like to share with you all some of my thoughts based on reasoning and > my > > observation and as result on some of my experience: > > > > 1- You all know having a very good welcome and much more potential then > > "FLASH". Adobe has more reputation then Macromedia, they an easily push > it > > thru to become wide accepted standard but they choose other way around?. > It > > tell me something that either they could not find the talented resource > > enough to make it thru or the architect of it has some flaws/hurdle to > make > > SVG become inferior or both. To me this is admittance on Adobe part that > > SVG will not serve their purpose and inferior to Flash? > > > > 2- We have got into this dilemma: > > > > a- If we put everything (Script and event) inside the SVG then 'SVG" > can > > not access external elements. Then this is nothing more then an other > > 'Flash". In this case I have not seen any player can have it technically > > competitive yet simply it's veeeeeeery slow. I personally have done some > > research on "Batik" and "FF" on this matter and I don't think that > architect > > can helping me to overcome this hurdle. > > > > b- If we put the SVG outside of the player and/or using SVG-outside > > javascript making SVG as a part of the DOM. I have give up on this when > all > > time and every time IE will fails me if there is about 5-6000 elements > total > > I have not come up with the exact number yet but 6000 is a sure shot. FF > > other hand do not fail me on about 7000 yet but it cost me two arms and > a > > leg to have an element update. (I have not counting the loading time > yet). > > > > c- As some have suggested: Take the code from Batik or FF then make it > work > > on IE? building a "Me too" ? It is not going to be better either -I > think?-. > > > > d- I do believe the VML plug-gin for none IE may be more appealing to > big > > player such as Google map then having SVG or even MS live local ? > > > > 3- Let's be real: Just give me an percentage of client that does not > have > > access to IE. You can have 15-20% of the client that have FF or Opera. > Among > > them how many does not have access to IE ? I think this number is > veeeeery > > small. > > > > 4- Does Microsoft having any incentive to have SVG "natively support" ?. > > give these facts/fact-toids > > > > a- They already have VML. > > > > b- It does not take much time to get the open source then make it become > an > > plug-gin activeX as of AVG. As the way MS does in the pass with "filer > > activeX"; 99% percent of the development are already there?. I think > this > > will become one more "Flash" inferior product. Not counting that MS are > > competing with Adobe on other areas of the Web development? > > Another ActiveX "Me too" ? > > > > c- "Hope" come when other browsers are supporting SVG? will it cause > MS to > > support SVG?. Without any other development we are all hung by a thread. > ASV > > is an ActiveX which is OS application now it works on XP, 2000. Does it > work > > on Vista? LongHorn?. > > > > > > > > ONLY THE FUTURE WILL TELL. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Phi > > > > > > > > > > ----- > To unsubscribe send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > membership" > ---- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
Hi Andreas. You may mis understand me I think I like to give you an example: It's Real (Not on ideaology). Here is my observation. A SVG FONT contains about at least 1000s elements. Just trying to embed about 5-7 font files into your HTML On both IE and FF then see what happen. I am not kidding. 1-Observe yourself on IE ,FF and Opera. 2-Then try chage somthing at the botom of the DOM. or trying to play/display some other at the bottom of the DOM. -There must be something wrong with the DOM 'way' of the SVG there? (That what I mean) - BTW: It took MS- Decade to support the simple PNG transparency. - IE 7 have make a big deal of it? -- It is funny? Phi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
