Hi, Richard-

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Doug
> 
> Yeh it would be good to perhaps have some idea of where we are going, our 
> apps rely heavily on SVG (closed apps that have logins) but my head is 
> spinning at the moment what to do. Maybe I should leave it for another 12 
> months and then start to worry 8 months or so before ASV gewts pulled, 
> hopefully there will be good news around the corner, unfortunatley all our 
> users use IE, we are rewriting a new version to include FF, Opera and 
> Safari, but IE is still the main browser.
> 
> I hear Ajax , Dojo2d, laszlo, emiasys....which is the right path.....oh 
> dear.

Well, I don't think it's all that confusing.  The choices really break 
down to 3 options:

1) hope/work toward SVG support in IE, either native or via a plugin 
(EmiaSys and all others mentioned on this list fall into this category)

2) use an abstracted framework that delivers whatever graphics format is 
appropriate for the target platform (Ajax, Dojo2d, laszlo all fall into 
this category)

3) use some other technology (XAML and Flash [possibly laszlo?] fall 
into this category)

I'm avoiding category 3 like the plague.  The nice thing is that 
categories 1 and 2 are orthogonal... a business can use a framework, and 
when IE SVG support is stable, reexamine if they still need that 
framework.  It can be a permanent commitment (dojo has a lot of 
advantages apart from SVG) or a stopgap.

I can tell you what my company is considering doing, and maybe that 
might help inform your choices.  We are already using dojo, so we will 
be investigating how well our content can be presented in dojo2D.  I 
admit to some initial skepticism; VML is really limited, but I will 
follow up on it and see how much can be done.  If it is designed 
correctly, it could deliver SVG to FF, Opera, Safari, etc., VML to base 
IE, and SVG to IE+SVG (either via plug-in or native, down the line).

dojo2D pros:
* abstracted development layer
* browser independent
* doesn't matter if IE has an SVG plug-in or not

dojo2D cons:
* dependence on dojo framework (not so bad for my company)
* new abstracted layer to learn
* may not be as full-featured as programming to native SVG 
implementations (lowest common denominator)

But my real aim is finding a replacement for ASV.  Having spent a few 
days taking stock of our options, I am pretty confident that with the 
will behind this group, the commercial opportunities and incentives for 
other companies, and the available resources (both open and closed 
source), we will be able to get at least fair SVG support for IE.

Of course, Adobe could help this along by providing the code to help us 
do this, rather than aggressively attacking SVG.  As has been said 
before, they have every right to stop supporting ASV, but their next 
move determines how they will be seen in doing so.

Regards-
-Doug


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