--- In [email protected], "Don XML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "domenico_strazzullo" > > > Adobe is literally asphyxiating MS at the moment, or it's going to; do > > you really imagine they're in the mood for making presents of any > sort? > > > LOL. Adobe Asphyxiating Microsoft. > > Man, Adobe totally missed their chance when we (the old time SVG guys) > were pushing rendering multinamespace XML documents.
I was svg born in 2000. > Check out what the XSmiles.org guys have done. I have checked it out. Between bad rendering, non-rendering, freezes and crushes I wasn't able to see much. Its own examples don't work as expected, like the interactive map (!) that can only find the city whose name is there by default and on the first attempt only. The machine on which I tested is a laptop running XP SP2 with java standard edition 6 v1.6.0 (build 1.6.0_01-b06). Of course I understand it's an alpha but "il n'y a pas de quoi fouetter un chat". It has a very long way to go and, pragmatically speaking, that is not what SVG needs in the immediate. By the time they're done with it SVG might very well be long dead and buried. > Adobe was on the cusp of what > Microsoft is doing with Silverlight, but back in 2001/2002. They > totally blew their chance, and now Adobe is behind the eightball, and > falling further back fast. Way back then, I tried to convince the > Adobe SVG team to jump on the Binary Behavior technology in IE and > rewrite the SVG viewer to use it. The answer was that handling to the > 2 different DOMs (HTML and SVG) and rendering models was too hard, and > not worth the effort, especially in multiple browsers and OSes > scenarios. Opps, Microsoft just announce that they will be doing that > with Silverlight. I respect you very much as a Gray Eminence, and your attempted contributions as a privileged insider, but I trust the opinion of the defunct Adobe SVG team. It doesn't surprise me that as a .net guy, you get excited by anything that is a MS technology. The truth though, is that MS cannot even manage a new tab in IE7 to function properly on a web address or local file if the first tab is running a page from the local Apache server, it freezes for 10-30 s (no svg, cpu 100% thanks). Man, after all these years! Truth is that their heritage is just an exponential bug syndrome to which they were never able to put an end. Unfortunately no psychiatrist can help with that. So, after 6-7 years development and a huge squad of acronym-obsessed programmers and architects, they didn't manage to pull out what they were attempting to do with their new OS. Code is King. > Now, Adobe has killed off SVG support, and thrown > their muscle behind Flash. In the end, we (the developers) will win, I'm glad you think that. I have publicly criticized, or better, attacked Adobe's strategies, in open letters. Have you? I can claim out and loud that I'm an artist, a developer and a humanist, and that not having a fancy journalist's name from Redmond Developer News in my phone book is not one of my major concerns. The nice drawback for not having strings is that you can be a franc-tireur (marksman). And it's not really common that people lough out loud at my remarks when I'm not especially trying to be funny. I don't really mind, but it makes it look like I said something grotesque, which I didn't. Adobe, with Apollo, Mars and other planets IS giving MS a hard, catch up with, time, like it or not. This is the opinion of some observers from the specialized press, as well as mine. Not meaning that I'm happy with it. > no matter which one winds up on top. But, my money is placed firmly > behind Microsoft. It makes sense in my case, and is probably not the > bet of choice on this discussion list. Since we're out of topic, I put my stakes in culture promoting and active fighting of the new obscurantism brought by hyper-capitalism and hyper-consumerism. In case you would consider joining I must warn you that the dividends are not that good. > To each their own. But in the > end, we all can win from the competition (well everyone but the W3C). Hope you're right on this. So far it's never been proven. That competition is sickening. Those people are badly sick, they alienated in hedonism, in the cult of the image; they're also megalomaniac. And they run the world through its economy, and in spite of immense profits they only create very very few work positions and generally much poverty, which is unheard of in any historical industry. And you put your stakes there, so... do me a favor, spare me your lessons. Domenico Strazzullo > > Don Demsak > www.donxml.com > ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
