On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:28:07 +0100, Guy Morton <[email protected]> wrote:

> I agree with Robert...I think your statements are a little intemperate,  
> and I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next man.

Yay conspiracy theories...

> In reality, Firefox had SVG support before Safari and Chrome.

Indeed. Although they were kind of late to the animation party
(something that IE still hasn't done, wich I find disappointing).

> All 4 browsers-other-than-IE have decent SVG support now, and it's
> still improving with each release.

Yes. This is good - keeps us on our toes. Of course SVG is still being  
developed, and even the stable release spec gets tweaked occasionally to  
deal with minor inconsitencies we didn't spot. That's why we have been  
partiicpating in the SVG group so long - and it's good to see that all the  
major browser are doing so now.

> Your comments are, I think, a little insulting to the volunteers who  
> work on open-source browsers. Perhaps if you feel passionate about SVG  
> you should contribute your energy to either the Mozilla or Webkit  
> browser engine projects?

Actually, producing high-quality SVG like your site is also a valuable  
contribution - it gives all of the browsers something to aim for as a way  
to show off what SVG can do.

> Guy
>
> PS, if your web host doesn't send the correct http headers, you should  
> talk to them about it, or switch to a better hosting company.

Yeah, that fact that people have servers which don't let them set the  
right headers is a real problem, and the kind of sniffing that it takes to  
handle that in the browser can potentially introduce further problems.  
Even in Opera Unite it is possible to set the headers, and for something  
as common as SVG is becoming it is depressing that there are still hosts  
that don't figure it out by default, let alone allowing you to actually  
configure it (which I think should be possible on all hosting services but  
unfortunately isn't).

In an ideal world, we could all just be really strict about what we do. In  
the real world we are forced to make compromises. But it's also the case  
that things improve. In a lot of early SVG-enabled Opera releases (version  
8.x and 9.x), we accepted SVG that had a particular error to do with not  
declaring the namespace. This was actually partially the fault of the WG,  
who had a neat trick for allowing the namespace to be defaulted by the  
DTD, but didn't anticipate the problems that might cause later.

After a few years, we stopped allowing for this behaviour. And in the  
meantime, the SVG content on the Web got better, so instead of being a  
major problem on most SVG content it was something we didn't even  
announce, but which didn't draw any complaints.

cheers

Chaals

> On 06/11/2010, at 12:19 PM, jamesd wrote:
>
>>
>>> In order to serve compressed svg file you must specify
>>>
>>> Content-Encoding: gzip
>>>
>>
>> And where do I specify the Content-Encoding: gzip? If it is on the  
>> server and I don't have access to it, then I stand by my statements.  
>> Adobe (No friend of SVG) supports opening svgz file in Adobe  
>> Illustrator.
>>
>> It is made difficult on purpose IMO. I do not consider this an Opera  
>> bug, but maybe someone from Opera can chime in.
>>
>> Your right Firefox does support filters, but not much else.
>>
>> James
>> http://deerring.com.
>>
>>
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