Well, you can certainly disagree with the scale, but you can't disagree that
MS is the way it is currently published in the scale:

http://www.classicgaming.com/gotcha/conditions.htm

The purpose of the scale is so we could all start using common terminology
as our hobby matures.  If you don't like the scale, make suggestions (Jim is
the caretaker of the official scale).  Otherwise, that's what everyone else
is using.

Basically, MS means factory fresh.

You are correct that there is also a (S) flag, which is used for games that
are sealed, but have some defect that keeps it from being MS.

For example, you could put NM (S) or F (S). 

Hugh

-----Original Message-----
From: Per-Olof Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch

I respectfully disagree. ;)

"Sealed" is a flag, much like IM, MMC and so on. And surely you don't write
FMMC for a Fine copy with MMC? Or perhaps NMSTC? That'd make it a lot more
cryptic than necessary, imho.

- Peo

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: den 10 maj 2004 17:27
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [SWCollect] Ouch

Sorry to be anal, but that's one of my specialties :-) --

Mint sealed is "MS" not M(S).

Hugh

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Z�ller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 6:34 AM
To: BL; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] Ouch

Aaargh... yes, that always makes me whince.

There was an eBay auction way back in 2001 for a shrinked Kilrathi Saga,
M(S). Apparently the seller was contacted by a guy urging him to check if
the wrap was authentic and the game truly unopened. Not knowing what to look
for, this poor chap cracked the wrap and happily added a note to his listing
that, yes, everything inside was in mint condition.

Alexander


-----Original Message-----
From: BL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SWCollect] Ouch


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4130364298

from the auction:
" Note: Brand new with all the original manuals/disks/box, etc. Only came
out of the shrink wrap to be photographed. According to the box it works on
any Apple II or III. "

Doh!  Not the sharpest tool in the shed...

Brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Joguin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SWCollect] YEAH-HA-HAAAAA!


> At 16:38 09/05/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Heh, just realized, God I hope it's in English.  B-)
>
> I'm almost certain it's a French version. Games are now always 
> translated here, at least PC games, since about 1996. One of the first 
> games for
which
> I was forced to buy the translated version was King's Quest 7. I 
> nearly haven't bought any PC game from France ever since (most recent 
> is a L'Amerzone/Syberia pack). For some reason, console games are not 
> always translated (for example Shenmue) or are multi-language.
>
> Vincent Joguin.
>
>
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