one of the best things anyone can do -- experienced or novice -- is use
"view source" on working examples.

i've spent countless hours creating swfobject examples and posting them on
my site (http://pipwerks.com/lab/swfobject/) with basic instructions.  i've
never included instructions that explain how to add a <script> element to
the page, because i assume a certain level of competence in JavaScript.
however, anyone wishing to learn -- or just trying to get it to work without
caring *how* -- should always start by copying working examples.  that's how
i learned, and how i continue to learn.  it's also what you'd do if you
bought a book on a programming language and followed the book's examples.
:)

as for this group providing instructions for someone completely new to
JavaScript, i believe that's outside the scope of the group and the
SWFObject documentation.  it's obvious we'd like to help, it's just that
starting from zero requires an awful lot of explanation and teaching, and
we're not really here for that.  we do care, but our time and resources
aren't unlimited.

the best thing i can do is recommend some books or sites that help a person
get the basics before trying to do the more advanced stuff.  there are
literally hundreds of thousands of JavaScript tutorials and how-tos on the
www, the most famous probably being
www.w3schools.com<http://www.w3schools.com/js/default.asp>and
http://javascript.about.com/.  as for books, i think Jeremy Keith's DOM
Scripting<http://books.google.com/books?id=LBTQ83bAz6QC&dq=Jeremy+Keith+DOM+Scripting>is
an excellent primer for JavaScript newbies; it's well-written in an
easy-to-understand style, contains practical examples with lots of context,
and follows today's best practices.

RE: Adobe's poor documentation, i agree. I think most of it is very dense
and hard to read, even for experienced developers.  what's funny is that in
their early days they had *excellent* documentation.  i used to work in
prepress as a typesetter, and the books and other printed materials that
shipped with Adobe's software was extremely useful and well-crafted.  i
still use some of those books to teach people about printing concepts such
as CMYK, registration, and basic color theory.

- philip


On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I wonder, will it be aimed at semi experienced people upwards. Have you
> ever, or do you remember back to, when you knew little, tried to follow
> Adobe product manuals. Even their on-line tutorials leaving yawning gaps
> just when you think its making sense. As one who founded on DOS when a
> 33Mhz
> computer was leading edge and cost £6k, I think its even worse today. Even
> their current website is frustrating to follow. I follow several Adobe
> forums, the extent of questions and their nature shows just how others
> struggle to get up to working speed with their products - hence the number
> of 'xyz' for dummies books in my collection. But, Adobe is by no means
> alone
> in this.
>
> Anyway, I will do my suggestion over the next week and hope it will lead to
> helping others. As I have gained much from your forums, I would like to put
> something back in.
>
> Regards Jonathan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Bobby
> Sent: 15 October 2008 10:48
> To: SWFObject
> Subject: Re: IE error message - swfobject is undefined
>
>
>
> Your wish has been granted, in the coming month Adobe Devnet will publish 2
> SWFObject introductory articles, so keep an eye on Adobe Devnet :-)
>
> I will also give a masterclass at the global Head conference (an online
> event): http://www.headconference.com/speakers/bobby-van-der-sluis/
>
>
> >
>

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