Very happy to see this proposal; felt strange that for a language so focused on value-types an entire framework open sourced with the language was composed entirely of reference-types (albeit for obvious reasons). So +1 for that.
One particular section that caught my interest was this: > The most obvious drawback to using a struct is that the type can no longer be > subclassed. At first glance, this would seem to prevent the customization of > behavior of these types. However, by publicizing the reference type and > providing a mechanism to wrap it (mySubclassInstance as ValueType), we enable > subclasses to provide customized behavior. I'm incredibly biased, but I recently proposed and submitted a pull request that would introduce "factory initializers" to the language (https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/pull/247). The full proposal has more info, but essentially factory initializers would allow for directly returning initialized types from designated factory initializers, similar to how initializers are implemented in Objective-C. Anyway, I feel the Factory Initializer proposal would work very well with this Foundation proposal. While I believe the current suggestion of casting the reference type as the value type works well, I don't believe it is necessarily the client of the API's job to use it; I believe it would make far more sense for there to be an extension adding additional factory initializers to the class, which would determine the underlying reference type to use based on the input parameters. For example, here is the example of using a custom subclass for the Data type mentioned in this Foundation proposal: > /// Create a Data with a custom backing reference type. > class MyData : NSData { } > let dataReference = MyData() > let dataValue = dataReference as Data // dataValue copies dataReference I personally would rather see something akin to this: public extension Data { factory init(inputData: ...) { if ... { // Return subclass best suited for storing this particular input data return MyData(inputData) as Data } else { let data = NSData() /* OMITTED: add hypothetical inputData to NSData depending on what it is */ return data } This means the client of the API never has to worry about which subclass is best suited for them; everything would "just work". This also better mimics the existing class cluster pattern in Foundation, which might help with this transition should my proposal be accepted. Regardless though, very happy to see this being pushed forward. Just thought I'd suggest ways to make this proposal (hopefully) easier to both implement and use :) > On Apr 22, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Tony Parker via swift-evolution > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi David, > >> On Apr 22, 2016, at 12:13 PM, David Waite <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Amazing, I am really looking forward to this feature! >> >> Comments: >> >> - For Locale and Calendar, one possible Swift layout would be to synthesize >> a protocol and to use that to represent bridged API. You could then bridge >> inbound to either the immutable value type or the dynamic class-based type. >> On the swift side, these are constructed as two distinct types. > > That’s an interesting approach, I’ll consider that for these. > >> >> - For any of these types, are there improvements (similar to String) which >> would be worth making before exposing ’the’ Swift type and API? The ones I’m >> specifically worried about are Date and URL, since I’ve seen so many >> standard language time and networking API show their age over time. >> >> -DW > > We’re absolutely going to be making Swift-specific improvements to many of > these types. I think the resulting API is better in many ways. For example, > on URL the main improvement is that the resource values dictionary is now > struct type with a lot of strongly-typed properties. It’s still got a lot of > optionals because of the way that the underlying fetch works, but it’s > better. Date gains mutating methods along with support for operators like += > and < >. > > One of the guiding principles of our effort was evolution over revolution. > Foundation is obviously used in tons and tons of API. We want to maintain > conceptual compatibility with the entire OS X / iOS / watchOS / tvOS SDK when > it is imported into Swift. Hopefully this also means that converting from > reference to value types in your own uses of these API does not require a > complete rethink of how you use them, but still provide the benefits outlined > in the proposal. We’ll continue to iterate and improve over time. > > Thanks, > > - Tony > >> >>> On Apr 22, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Tony Parker via swift-evolution >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear swift-evolution denizens, >>> >>> As you know from our announcement of Swift Open Source and our work on >>> naming guidelines, one of our goals for Swift 3 is to “drop NS” for >>> Foundation. We want to to make the cross-platform Foundation API that is >>> available as part of swift-corelibs feel like it is not tied to just Darwin >>> targets. We also want to reinforce the idea that new Foundation API must >>> fit in with the language, standard library, and the rapidly evolving design >>> patterns we see in the community. >>> >>> You challenged us on one part of this plan: some Foundation API just >>> doesn’t “feel Swifty”, and a large part of the reason why is that it often >>> does not have the same value type behavior as other Swift types. We took >>> this feedback seriously, and I would like to share with you the start of an >>> important journey for some of the most commonly used APIs on all of our >>> platforms: adopting value semantics for key Foundation types. >>> >>> We have been working on this for some time now, and the set of diffs that >>> result from this change is large. At this point, I am going to focus effort >>> on an overview of the high level goals and not the individual API of each >>> new type. In order to focus on delivering something up to our quality >>> standards, we are intentionally leaving some class types as-is until a >>> future proposal. If you don’t see your favorite class on the list — don’t >>> despair. We are going to iterate on this over time. I see this as the start >>> of the process. >>> >>> One process note: we are still trying to figure out the best way to >>> integrate changes to API that ship as part of the operating system (which >>> includes Foundation) into the swift-evolution review process. >>> Swift-evolution is normally focused on changes to functionality in the >>> compiler or standard library. In general, I don’t expect all new Foundation >>> API introduced in the Darwin/Objective-C framework to go through the open >>> source process. However, as we’ve brought up this topic here before, I felt >>> it was important to bring this particular change to the swift-evolution >>> list. >>> >>> As always I welcome your feedback. >>> >>> https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0069-swift-mutability-for-foundation.md >>> >>> Thanks, >>> - Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> swift-evolution mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution > > _______________________________________________ > swift-evolution mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution
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