On 15.06.2016 17:19, Sean Heber wrote:
On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Vladimir.S via swift-evolution
<[email protected]> wrote:
I believe we should not take into account any IDE features when
discussing the *language*. One will write Swift script code in vim on
linux, other will read in web browser on github etc.
Unrelated to anything else in this discussion, I just wanted to respond
to this and say that I’m totally opposed to this line of thinking. If we
continue to design languages that must accommodate the lowest common
denominator in terms of tooling, we’ll never advance anything in
meaningful ways. Tooling is super important and it is mostly terrible.
It could be so much better. We don’t have much (any?) influence over
Xcode via swift-evolution, but if the language evolves in ways where
smarter, better, more advanced IDEs are the best way to use it, then
Xcode will adapt and if Xcode adapts and proves a better workflow, then
other tools will also adapt and everyone in any language on all
platforms will eventually benefit from that exploration.
Well, of course I support improvement of tools & IDEs in all the ways that
can help developer. But I'm against suggestions to solve some problem *in
languge* by introducing some feature in *IDE*(especially in only one IDE -
XCode), like the suggestion to solve ambiguity with order of processing in
complex expression by *only* showing some hints in XCode.
I.e. I'm voting to solve problem in language itself first, and then(or if
can't be solved) in IDE.
l8r Sean
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