On Sun, Jul 31, 2016, at 03:42 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution wrote: > >> On Jul 31, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Erica Sadun via swift-evolution <swift- >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Gmane.org[1] is shutting down. >> http://ostatic.com/blog/mint-18-xfce-imminent-gmane-org-shutting-down >> writes: >> >> >>> "*Long time mailing* list archive site Gmane.org[2] is shutting >>> down. Gmane has been the home for technical mailing list references >>> since 2002. But it's no longer fun for founder and only maintainer >>> Lars Ingebrigtsen. He's been sued in India and threatened with legal >>> action in at least France, among other annoyances. The straw that >>> broke Ingebrigtsen's back was a sustained denial of service[3] >>> attack throughout the month of July. He's been wondering a lot >>> lately if it's all worth it. So, he's decided[4] to move the mail >>> and news servers to new hosting. However, Ingebrigtsen is indeed >>> discontinuing the web-based archive. He said he's just "fed up." >>> He's willing to send a disk with the web server archives to anyone >>> who wants to take it over. But with the Gmane.org[5] web presence >>> gone, it feels like the end of an era. There is much wailing and >>> gnashing of teeth throughout the community with some even trying to >>> get a petition started." >> >> Because of this shutdown, numerous documents in the Swift Evolution >> github archive no longer point to valid web links. I have pasted a >> list of gmane links at the end of this message. As gmane's >> "robots.txt" disallowed crawling, Google has not preserved the titles >> or text of the links, which makes finding some of these a little >> tricky. >> >> Here are the remaining links that are not yet converted. Please >> consider adopting a proposal, tracking down its links, and mailing >> this thread with the proposal number, gmane links and pipermail >> equivalents. Pipermail is located at >> https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/. Some of these may >> refer to build dev discussions instead of evolution ones. If you >> can, please track down to the exact message for rationale, and the >> thread for discussion and review links. > > Completely agreed. All of these should point to > https://lists.swift.org (and always should have, exactly for reasons > like this). I’d appreciate any PRs to help clean up the evolution > repo to point to https://lists.swift.org instead.
FWIW, Gmane.org has been around for something like 14 years, and it provided a vastly better experience for actually reading the thread than pipermail, so I don't think using Gmane links was a bad decision at the time. Also, if it helps, the guy who runs Gmane offered to send a thumbdrive with all the archives to anyone who wants to take over in providing a web interface, and there were a few people expressing interest in that, so with luck the website will come back in some form at some point. -Kevin Links: 1. http://gmane.org/ 2. http://gmane.org/ 3. https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/ 4. https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502 5. http://gmane.org/
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