> On Oct 24, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Joe Groff via swift-evolution > <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote: > > >> On Oct 23, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Chris Lattner via swift-evolution >> <swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> wrote: >> >> >>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 11:34 PM, Jacob Bandes-Storch via swift-evolution >>> <swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Swift-Evolution community, >>> >>> A few of us have been preparing a proposal to refine the definitions of >>> identifiers & operators. This includes some changes to the permitted >>> Unicode characters. >>> >>> The latest (perhaps final?) draft is available here: >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/jtbandes/swift-evolution/blob/unicode-id-op/proposals/NNNN-refining-identifier-and-operator-symbology.md >>> >>> <https://github.com/jtbandes/swift-evolution/blob/unicode-id-op/proposals/NNNN-refining-identifier-and-operator-symbology.md> >>> >>> We'd welcome your initial thoughts, and will probably submit a PR soon to >>> the swift-evolution repo for a formal review. Full text follows below. >> >> I haven’t had a chance to read the entire proposal, nor the tons of great >> discussion down thread, but here are a few thoughts, just MHO: >> >> - I’m loving that you’re taking a detail oriented approach to the problem. >> I agree with you that our current approach is unprincipled, and we need to >> get this right for Swift 4. >> - I think that it is perfectly fine to err on the side of conservatism: if >> it isn’t clear how to classify something (e.g. Braille patterns), we should >> just reject them in both operators and identifiers (make them be >> unassigned). If these unclear cases are important to someone, then we can >> consider (as a separate additive proposal) adding them back later. >> - As to conservatism, explicitly reserving “..” (for possible future >> language directions) seems reasonable to me. Are there any other similar >> things we should consider reserving? >> >> - I applaud the creativity keeping 🐶🐮 a valid identifier :-), but it is >> really missing the point. *All* of the non-symbol-like emoji’s should be >> valid in identifiers. With a quick unscientific look at Apple’s character >> picker, all the emojis other than a few in “Symbols” seem like they should >> be identifiers. It would be fine to conservatively leave all emoji >> “symbols” as unassigned. > > The problem with this is that "emoji" is not a well-defined category by > Unicode. Whether a character is rendered as emoji or a traditional symbol in > a given font on a given platform can depend on variation selectors, and the > exact variation selectors (or lack thereof) that choose emoji or traditional > representation are non-portable, even among different text rendering APIs on > the same platform (e.g. ATSUI vs TextKit vs CoreText vs WebKit on Darwin). > > -Joe >
I’m not sure that is true. Unicode gives the list: http://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html <http://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html>. If a platform can’t render the ZJW sequences it can render them as separate Emoji, but Swift can still treat that as the same identifier. 👍🏼 == 👍 🏼 If you don’t have a font capable of displaying the character at all that isn’t any different from not having a Chinese font available. You should get the missing character glyph. The list of emoji base characters is not unrestricted - there is a specific and limited list of valid base characters that accept modifiers. If we wanted to go further and say that all Emoji modifiers are preserved and rendered if possible but not considered part of the identifier that would be OK with me. Same for variation selectors. Russ >> - I really think we should keep symbols as operators, including much of the >> math symbols (e.g. ∪). In a later separate proposal, we can consider >> whether it makes sense for emoji symbols (like ✖️to be usable as operators), >> I can see arguments both ways. >> >> -Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> swift-evolution mailing list >> swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org> >> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution > > _______________________________________________ > swift-evolution mailing list > swift-evolution@swift.org > https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution
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