Just spend a bit of time to try an figure out how these “cards” work.
But it is not user friendly imo.
I simply don’t have the time to learn the concept and read the user manuals to 
try and figure out the details.
(I did sign up, I did try to read “the basics”, but I am probably not nimble 
enough…)
The problem I face with things like this is that the reward/commitment is so 
low that I cannot justify the time spend on it.

Sorry,
Rien.

> On 4 Dec 2016, at 02:25, Jay Abbott via swift-evolution 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> @Xiaodi @Tino
> Apologies for my assumption that every developer already knows how to use 
> Trello - the “lists” contain “cards” and the cards can be opened and you can 
> add a more detailed description, comments, checklists, images, and other 
> stuff. The thing you see in the list is just the title/headline of the card. 
> Have another go.
> 
> https://trello.com/b/fmv4uV3n/swift-access-control 
> <https://trello.com/b/fmv4uV3n/swift-access-control>
> @Xiaodi
> Feel free to add a new list called “Bad Features” if you want, and add one 
> card for each anti-feature, with a title and more detail/information in the 
> card description about why it’s bad.
> 
> I agree that friend classes in C++ were a horrible thing, but I think that my 
> suggestion of “detailed access control defined by the user in named 
> access-groups” would solve such problems, by allowing API authors to define 
> “friends” however they like, and name them Friends or ToDoFixThisProperly or 
> ThingsThatCanAccessMyProperty or MutableSubclasses or ImmutableSubclasses 
> (etc.). Rien also suggested pretty much the same thing, but with the 
> definition directly in the access(details go here about exactly what can 
> access) modifier instead of being defined in a named group.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 at 21:28 Tino Heth <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> An interesting format. Since it's a list, I'm not sure how to go about 
>> commenting on the items already there with which I disagree. IMO, the format 
>> doesn't lend itself to discussion.
> 
> I have to agree… although I fear the major problem isn't the format, but 
> rather the spirit: I guess tools would help, but they do nothing without 
> commitment for collaboration.
> 
> But it is definitely worth a try. Imho the board is at least a small 
> improvement over email when it's about collecting thoughts, so thank you, Jay 
> (and let's hope for the best)
> 
> - Tino
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