> On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jens Alfke via swift-users > <swift-us...@swift.org> wrote: > > >> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:41 AM, Jan Neumüller via swift-users >> <swift-us...@swift.org <mailto:swift-us...@swift.org>> wrote: >> >> I would prefer http://www.fudforum.org/ <http://www.fudforum.org/> that has >> good mailing list support, too. > > Well, we appear to have completely opposite opinions on UI/usability. I took > a look at fudforum and yeah, to my eyes it exemplifies the awful clutter > that’s been a hallmark of web forums since before PHPBB. There’s so much > visual noise it’s very hard to parse or to find anything. Clearly designed by > a coder with a big hammer named “<table>”. I’m not a UI designer, but I’ve > worked extensively with UI designers (I spent 15 years at Apple working on > stuff like iChat and AppleScript) so I think I have some grounding in the > field. > > I do believe, though, that whatever solution swift.org <http://swift.org/> > switches to needs to have good email support. That way the people who hate > the web UI, or who just don’t prefer to use the web for discussions, can keep > using email as we do today. This is perfectly feasible to do; again, > groups.io <http://groups.io/> is a good example. > > Here my concern is that I have not found a way to configure Discourse to make > its email notifications work well as a substitute for a mailing list. I have > admin privileges on a Discourse installation run by my employer, so I’ve > looked through the entire admin UI for ways to improve the emails, and some > of the problems don’t seem fixable by tweaking settings. > > At this point I’m going to shut up because it sounds like the decision has > been made, and I don’t want to contribute to further bike-shedding.
I’ve been mostly silent in this conversation largely because I didn’t realize it was leading up to a formal decision. I wish it would have followed the proposal process so it was clear to everyone that a decision was being considered and this was our chance to offer input. I really like the experience of participating in the community via email. If I knew a decision was being seriously considered I would have taken a closer look at Discourse and likely offered more input. I will be disappointed if the experience of participating is not at least as good as it is using email. One of the most important reasons I like using email is that Mail offers a great experience on iPhone and iPad. I am skeptical that a web-based forum could offer the same level of convenience and efficiency for keeping up with the community that email provides. I hope that we do find a way to configure our tool (probably Discourse) so that the email experience on iPhone and iPad does not suffer. If we can meet that criteria and *also* offer the advantages of a web-based tool I will be very happy. But I think the current email experience on iPhone and iPad should set a minimum criteria that any tool must meet. > > —Jens > _______________________________________________ > swift-users mailing list > swift-us...@swift.org > https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users
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