On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Haravikk via swift-evolution < [email protected]> wrote:
> > On 11 Jun 2017, at 22:13, Gor Gyolchanyan via swift-evolution < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I agree, this makes focusing on the right types of changes much easier and > helps us avoid turning Swift into an incoherent conglomeration of random > use-cases (*cough*, C#, *cough*). > Now, the question is: when will be the time to officially push the factory > initializers proposal and which stage should it be targeting? > > > I think there's definitely a need for greater clarity; we could really do > with better announcements on the list itself as to when the new phase > begins and *exactly* what is in-scope, it also needs to be put more > clearly on the swift-evolution repository. > > Thing is; people are going to have ideas when they have them, and want to > discuss them right away. I've been caught out numerous times with proposals > that are almost immediately rejected as out of scope, and still have no > idea when I'm supposed to resubmit them. > > To be honest it's demoralising, as I find myself apathetic towards my own > ideas as I have no idea when to revisit them, and by the time I do I've > largely lost interest and moved on to other things. > I think many of us who've tried our hand at getting proposals through the process have experienced the setback of a potential worthwhile idea not receiving an audience. Yet, on balance, I still think the process handles out-of-scope ideas appropriately. A key question here to be answered is: is this mailing list the appropriate forum for "discussing ideas right away," whatever they might be? or is it more of a working list for bringing forward in-scope proposals in the successive forms of pitch, draft, and proposal review? As far as I can tell, the aim of scoping rules is to nudge it towards the latter, and personally I think that's quite nice in terms of bringing sanity back to my inbox as well as focus to the discussions. By contrast, I have seen blogs, Twitter, and other channels used profitably for discussing ideas right away, and personally I've found off-list communications to be the best way to prepare for the much more difficult task of convincing the discerning crowd here.
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